she chose to major in chemistry at carnegie tech, now called carnegie mellon university.n she graduated, her plans changed again. stephanie: since i could not afford to go to medical school at that time, i had to go out and seek employment. ali: she got several job offers, but one stood out for its interesting work and for paying men and women the same starting wage. stephanie: and so i took the job with the dupont company. the only problem was that i became so enamored of the work that i totally lost interest in medical school. ali: when she started, dupont's research laboratory was in the middle of a race to discover fibers that would revolutionize not just fashion, but war and space travel. just a few years earlier the company had created the first synthetic fiber, nylon. >> no baggy knees or deformed wrinkles during the life of a nylon stocking. ali: that fiber's success, and wartime rationing of natural materials like silk and rubber, set off an intense competition between companies like dupont and monsanto. stephanie: there was tremendous interest in new fibers and

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