as for carnell, the judge ordered he not have any contact with teagan or her family.at the amusement park but he cannot operate the freefall ride, the bungee jump or the ejector seat ride at that park. erica? >> ben, thanks. joining us exclusively from madison, wisconsin, is charles carnell's attorney, chris van wagner. thanks for being withit us. you say your client remembers the incident vividly. he remembers hearing teagan hit the ground, he remembers seeing her but he blanked out at that crucial moment. is that how he says this happened? >> he had one of those momentary spaceouts, that's human nature. we have it while we're driving, talking, sitting here. it's awful. it's terrible. but we don't believe it's criminal. >> so you say one of these human moments. do you see any difference between sfas spacing out at your desk at work and spacing out when you're operating a ride where you have someone's life in your hands? >> well, there's a terrific difference in terms of the risk. but in the area of criminal law, what the criminal law seeks to address and correct and