i remember carol browner, who was epa administrator, was helping us with energy and environmental policy on transition. and carol recounted her experiences getting binders and binders full of materials as an incoming cabinet nominee and saying, you know what? i don't need all this stuff. and that really helped us refine what we were asking the agency review teams to go out and find and report back. >> i'll just add we learned from that. i thought that was a very impressive improvement on previous administrations, and we resod to do -- resolved to do the same thing, to keep ourselves narrow. >> so, governor, to follow up on your notion, if there are other folks here who have something to comment on, question, we have a couple microphones. and should we start with tom? >> thank you. first, i have to tell you a story. [laughter] i was, i was doing president reagan's transition. you talked about clearances and stuff, and it was an anniversary of when they first had landed on the moon, and he said let's bring senator schmidt down, senator schmidt from new mexico to talk about his landing on t