give a round of applause to carol jenkins. [applause] >> next up we have dr. julianne malveaux, author of surviving and thriving 365 black economic history. she is the fifteenth president of college for women leaders' unrecognized for progressive observation. she is an economist, author and commentator and described by dr. cornell west as the most iconoclastic public intellectual in the company. doctor malveaux's contributions to the public dialogue on race, culture, gender and economic impact our shaping public opinion in the twenty-first century america. a round of applause for doctor malveaux. [applause] >> i bring you the conversation, black wealth past and presence, the politics of black wealth. >> thank you for your great work. i love what you produced. hi am a friend on facebook. >> thank you for the opportunity to be with you. i love you all. thank you so much. >> i would say if ever we needed an economist today is the day we need an economist. i felt in the last few weeks we needed to go back to school to take courses in economics to try to understand

father jenkins at notre dame that took a lot of heat for inviting him for the commencement. sister carol and all these people. they will have a much harder time making the case this time around. we haven't heard from the number one catholic in the west wing, bide r-r. joe biden. where is joe? he used to threaten he would shove the rosary beads down someone's throat. megyn: is there a thought that contraceptios not controversial. even though they teach gains it, managainst it, many catholics use it so they'll let this one fly? >> not only that they think the catholic position on it is unpopular with the american people so it's a good way to make it a wedge issue. the issue is not about contraception. anyone can get contraception, anyone can pay for it and find it. this is about forcing people to pay for it. this is a religious liberty issue. and what it's doing -- megyn: even though some christmas and easter catholics may not believe in that it's a different thing when you talk to the cardinal designate. he believes in it and he doesn't want to have to pay for it. >> should institutions h