either by phone, email, in writing, who says you know what, i've seen carol lubahn after the day she ury here, family members like carol's sister gail believed what mike told them. that carol had run off. >> has it been hard for you to accept the possibility that she maybe did? >> oh, yes. >> it is it made even more difficult by the fact that you care deeply for the defendant? >> yes. >> and younger sister, terri? even though she had suspected mike for years -- >> do you still think as of mike lubahn sr. as a part of your family? >> yes. >> but most anguished of all? mike and carol's son, mike jr.. >> is there anything about the way you remember your mom that would make you think or made you feel that she would leave you and never come back and never say goodbye? >> no. >> he loved his dad. but also, secretly, doubted him. something he had never revealed until now. >> i was sweating so profusely during that whole trial. he never knew i had these feelings. so on the stand publicly, i had to basically say, yeah, i'm thinking maybe there are some weird things about your story. and it was