here, just a sample from carol mirman, who is pictured here in the filo picture, which i think everyone has probably seen, looking at other people in this picture besides mary veccio and the body down here, carol miriman is here and her testimony, i think, gives us a perspective on this radical end. i'll see if this works for us today. >> but nonetheless, it was really, really, really painful for people to say students should have been shot based on misconceptions and narrow minded views of love it or leave it. people today still say, forget it, get over it. forget this stuff. they were rabble rousers, what does it mean to stand up and say when you're in opposition to the war, when you say we shouldn't be surrounded by tanks and troops, when nobody is really willing to negotiate and talk about things, what other options are available? i'm not saying [ inaudible ]. i'm saying what happened was wrong and what came out in the press, lies. the awful things that people said were terrible and made it a lot harder for the healing process, for the guards and the students to be able to stand up