that is according to a new analysis from carol rosenberg at the "new york times." she joins us on the phone from guantanamo bay, cuba. carol, welcome back "newshour". help us understand that the number of prisoners have gone down but somehow the cost has gone up. how is that possible? >> there are number of things going on. the prison buildings were set up as temporary, expeditionary war on terror sites, and they opened, you know, in 2002, and many of the buildings and structures that they have been using are that much older and have needed repairs andd replacement andmaintenance. the price of keeping la sodier, mostly national guard, in uniform has also ne up across the years, and this detention center of 40 prisonerss ha 1800 soldiers, that's 45 troops for every prisoner. 1800 soldiers plus a staff of probably around 300 or more civilian contractors. in addition, guntanamo is just plain expensive. it's down here inba. everything comes in by airplane or barge. everything hasa markup. construction has a markup. extremely isolated, expensive place to run this kind ne

for their trial and still wait, when i look at the proceedings, which have been chronicled by carol rosenbergrom "the miami times," she has been able to follow it all the way through. >> no relations, but a great job. >> incredible. she is a national institution and national treasure because nobody has been able to follow that process from the beginning because it's so long and weird and certaintine. do you think there will be a trial of those guys? 2021? >> i'm skeptical. the military does a lot of things reallyhi is sort of outside of their grasp. and i don't think there is any fault in saying we can't do it. we're not built this way. it's not designed this way and moving it back to a federal civilian court. i think that's where it belongs. again i'm biased. that's the system i know and trust, but it's also, and i think this is important, rachel, a system that offers transparency. it's not easy for anybody to go down to guantanamo bay, in fact, it's prohibited, and watch the trial. whereas, you can walk into any federal courthouse in the united states, sit down and stay as long as you want.