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to react, carol swain and leo terrell. thank you both for being with us. dr. t both university of texas and unc, you know, i'm always skeptical to ever celebrate a victory on these things, because a lot of it seems to be often window dressing. but are these victories in moving towards a less race-conscious policy in higher education? >> i think they're moving towards compliance with that federal civil rights laws and the constitution's equal protection clause. one of the problems with the dei programs is that they compel people to engage in speech that they may not agree with, and they also discriminate against whites, heterosexuals, men, and it's a problem because we have laws that ban discrimination on account of race, color, national origin, sex, religion. so families and universities are realizing that they have liability and lawsuits, i believe. will: leo, you're a civil rights attorney. how is it that, you know, i know that affirmative action has been seen as acceptable by the supreme court of the united states. how is it, as dr. swain points out, the 196

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