but the core of this story, i know we don't like carol vorderman.ays. what's she saying in that first bit is true? that tv is prejudice against working class people. >> you worked in tv. i admitted that we all, we all agree on that. >> agreed with that, i said i don't agree that i hate carol vorderman. don't know where you got that from. >> no, but do you know what i mean? normally if the if the headune mean? normally if the if the headline has carol vorderman, it you have to find a reason to disagree. but no on this. >> no, no, that one point was right but the rest of it was nonsense. >> what about all the other stuff about the riots and the and the idea that working class people just act on cue from social media? yeah, i don't believe i don't agree with that. >> right. but so we're all agreeing. actually, let's not jump agreeing. actually, let's not jump over the thing of we do need to hold tv account. >> no, i agree with that. i was the first thing i said. there's no social mobility in things like tv to find the thing she did wrong. >> but let's

exactly >> so, so these far left campaign groups, people like carol vorderman, led by donkeys, all there not, they're centrist. >> you have to be joking. >> you have to be joking. >> they don't attack labour politicians. they all the same way. >> they've hasn't been in power yet. >> they they have been in power since july and they haven't they haven't had they haven't had the chance. >> mistrust. come on, come on, come on. of course . that was hilarious. >> i don't care about the labour party the same way they care, to be fair to them. >> look, to be fair to them, they're not in the room now, but it's fair to them. they have said we're not party political. we will be attacking labour. come on, come on. look, labour has been. labour has been. labour has been in power for six weeks. labour is going to make a lot of mistakes. we know that. and when they do i'll be attacking them, criticising them as other people will. and of course i'll be holding them to account on unions. >> they are far too weak on unions. i'm sorry, but aslef train drivers getting 6 to £9000 a year already just got a

carol vorderman did a famous interview with somebody on the phone, a disabled pensioner who is going off. her and her husband couldn't walk, couldn't get out of bed. she is going to be one of those people who doesn't get that fuel payment any more. and so this is what i mean. it's the means testing isn't even good enough. >> no, but that's that's an argument for improving the means. testing system, not an argument. >> but it's not ready. >> but it's not ready. >> it's not ready. can i just say, let's give everyone this for me? >> i understand this. there are arguments for and against the whole pensioners winter fuel payments thing. i get all of that. but for me this cuts right to the core of keir starmer's government and it cuts to the core of lies and hypocrisy. and thatis core of lies and hypocrisy. and that is a problem for a person who's billed himself as mr integrity. and when you see him in parliament, they're hammering the tories for even thinking about doing this, which actually some people are now saying, well, there was a case. no, it's fiendishly difficult. yeah. >> and we

. >> and where are the likes of led by donkeys, carol vorderman, all these twitter personalities and where are they? >> nobody actually believes that those people were ever objective in any of this or impartial. that was never the idea. they were there specifically because they hate tories. they're not entirely sure why they hate tories, but they do. and they like to tell people at great length. but the thing is, because those people, i think, have done such a great job of shining a light on tory sleaze and corruption and all that over the last few years, that idea is now in the forefront of everybody's minds to say our government mismanagement, sleaze, people being appointed to jobs that they shouldn't have been. to jobs that they shouldn't have been . so what's now happening been. so what's now happening the second labour do it? as lisa says, the spotlight is being shone on it and it is just going to keep on saying it's just a shame that the conservatives have decided that not only did they not need to govern, they don't need to be in opposition either and aren't actually doing a l

we've been told repeatedly by our now government, and they're blatantly biased supporters like carol vordermant how childish is that ? removing an childish is that? removing an image of a three time election hero when keir was after the tory voters, he commended her. >> the rule of law is the foundation for everything. margaret thatcher called it the first duty of government and she was right about that, an expression of individual liberty , expression of individual liberty, our rights and responsibilities . our rights and responsibilities. >> it seems odd that since winning over many with his rhetoric, that he can't even bear her painting in the same room, judging by keir's first eight weeks and his latest missteps, like removing the winter fuel allowance from pensioners and vat on independent schools, which ironically wouldn't be allowed in the eu and has failed every time it's been attempted . he'll time it's been attempted. he'll be lucky if he lasts even one term. let alone three. he's already got the civil service regulator breathing down his neck. they're about to launch a review on app