north carolina naacp president reverend barber is head of the rallies and joins me. >> how are you doingoday? >> well. thank you. are you surprised beyond your state? was that your plan? >> well, no. we are not really surprised because there is a deep longing in the hearts and souls of americans to restore public policy to the deepest moral and constitutional values. people know deep in their heart that policy that is hurt the sick, the children, the poor constitutionally inconsistent and morally indefensively and economically insane. we have movements led anti-races, anti-poverty, deeply moral, deeply constitution rooted in changing the agendas taking on states. understanding to change america you have to change the states and think southern states and then thirdly there's a deep longing far new language, not limited by republican and democrat and liberal versus conservative. but a language rooted in when's right and wrong and moral and immoral and that challenges extremism at its core. >> north carolina state government as you know is controlled by republicans so is georgia. so are man

wilkens removed robert williams from his post as president of the monroe county north carolina naacp. williams appeals that removal to the national board of the naacp. the annual meeting there is this vote. ultimately the removal is upheld, but in the process there is justice why engagement from across the community, across the country, branches of the naacp riding in to a lot of statements in the crisis magazine. just this significant engagement of this question of whether robert williams stepped over the line into advocacy of political violence. a lot of people disagreed. martin luther king crystallizes the debate but basically saying, all right. you have three things to think about. one possibility in terms of the nonviolent theme of the movement is pure pessimist. king says it's a religious commitment that very few people ever going to achieve. it requires extraordinary discipline. later folks would say that king never urged others to -- or never condemn people for not achieving that level, that sense of nonviolence. and he says and then there is self-defense. even involving arms.

reverend william barber is the head of the north carolina naacp, a man that you will always know is inthe room. >> we have come to serve notice we will release every political and moral strategist we can to create the new south but we will not go back. >> fundamentally, america finds itself with a moral question. how are we going to live out our deepest moral principles of doing justice, loving your neighbor, and what does that mean in terms of our laws and public policy? >> he declared he was protesting an avalanche of extremist policies. >> they are threatening health care, education, the poor. >> one of the things that upset are cuts to long-term unemployment assistance. a journalist for the progressive institute for studies. >> one of the things we have seen as part of the agenda that is being played out in raleigh is constant cuts to the social safety net. it is no longer a priority for the people that control the state. the vote to block the expansion of medicare. >> the republican appraisal to expand medicaid meant the denial of insurance to have a million people. how can you sa

reverend william barber, president of the north carolina naacp slammed scott saying "the extreme rightfinds a black guy to be senator and claims he is the first black senator since reconstruction," and then he goes to washington d.c. and articulates the agenda of the tea party. reverend barber joins me by phone. niger innis is a spokesman for the congress of racial equality and running for congress. thank you, gentlemen. reverend barber, senator scott dismissed your comments saying "to reflect seriously on the comments, a person, a pastor that is filled with baseless and meaningless rhetoric would be to do a disservice to the very people who have sacrificed so much and paved a way. reverend barber will remind me and others of what not to do." what's your response to that? >> the fact of the matter is in south carolina where 250,000 people are going to be denied medicaid, where we have the corridor of shame in education, where we have attempts to oppress the vote we should not have elected leaders who are articulating and echoing the positions of the far right and the extreme. the fact

reverend william barber, president of the north carolina naacp slammed scott saying "the extreme rightuy to be senator and claims he is the first black senator since reconstruction," and then he goes to washington d.c. and articulates the agenda of the tea party. reverend barber joins me by phone. niger innis is a spokesman for the congress of racial equality and running for congress. thank you, gentlemen. reverend barber, senator scott dismissed your comments saying "to reflect seriously on the comments, a person, a pastor that is filled with baseless and meaningless rhetoric would be to do a disservice to the very people who have sacrificed so much and paved a way. reverend barber will remind me and others of what not to do." what's your response to that? >> the fact of the matter is in south carolina where 250,000 people are going to be denied medicaid, where we have the corridor of shame in education, where we have attempts to oppress the vote we should not have elected leaders who are articulating and echoing the positions of the far right and the extreme. the fact of the matter i

reverend william barber, president of the north carolina naacp slammed scott saying "the extreme rightnds a black guy to be senator and claims he is the first black senator since reconstruction," and then he goes to washington august and articulates the agenda of the tea party. reverend barber joins me by phone. niger innis is a spokesman for the congress of national equality and running for congress. thank you, gentlemen. reverend barber, senator scott dismissed your comments saying "to reflect seriously on the comments, a person, a post tore that is filled with baseless and meaningless rhetoric would be to do a disservice to the very people hole have sacrificed so much and paved a way. reverend barber will remind me and others of what not to do." what's your response to that? >> the fact of the matter is in south carolina where 250,000 people r going to be denied medicaid, where we have the corridor of shame in education, where we have attempts to oppress the vote we should not have elected leader who are articulating and echoing the positions of the far right and the extreme. the fa

carolina. and for the naacp to do this and seemingly get away with this in the media is unconscionable to me, i want to get your reaction. >> well, of course, it is unconscionable, but what you have to understand as a black conservative, not only do you have to take on the white liberal media establishment but also you have to fight within the community. when you think about the tim scott story that is a great american story. when you think about the story of clarence thomas, another great story, when you look at the origprinciples of booker t. washington, that talked about education, entrepreneurship, and reliance, those are really the base of what allows them to do well. >> tell me what you think. >> i'm glad you added just today. you're absolutely right, they have taken the culture war to a whole new level. half this country agrees with the conservative tea party, including many african-americans. but what the naacp does is four things, they promote abortion, and homosexuality, they sue parents who want to take their children out of this chaos and then they mock anyone who disagrees with the

lukens removed robert williams from his post as president of the monroe county, north carolina, doubling this. to the naacp. and at the annual meeting there is this vote. ultimately it is upheld. and there's this white engagement from across the country, branches of the naacp, arriving in lots of statements and the significant engagement of this question of whether robert williams took over into the line to advocacy and political violence. martin luther king crystallizes the big debate by saying that you have three things to think about here. one possibility in terms of the nonviolent game is pure pacifist and king said it's a religious commitment that very few people are ever going to achieve and it requires extraordinary discipline. regular folks would say the two never urged others to condemn people in that sense of nonviolence and then he says that there is self-defense and he said even gandhi did not condemn that. and he also said that people who engage in that sort of self-defense, they command a level of respect for the kind of grit that it shows. and for purposes of what we are doing, that is achie

>> south carolina republican senator is responding from name calling from the north carolina president of the naacp ventriloquist can always find a good dummy. the extreme right wing finds a black guy to be senator and claims he is the first since reconstruction and goes to washington and pushes tea party. >> for him to attack he it is as if you have conservative ideas that work why bother to try them. >> the naacp says the positions of the far right is an insault to martin luther king, jr. >> yesterday, a teacher assistance was in class and shot and killed by a fellow student. the suspect is in custody but yesterday's shooting is part of what seems to be a greg trend in the united states. we cover stories like this nearly every week in some form or shape. five shool -- school -- shoots last week. and 25 school shootings took place in 2013. and newtown was the one in 2012. seven were killed at santa monica college last year was the deadliest. out of 140,000 schools most don't have armed guards. and those that do are middle and high school. we have julie and lars here. after newtown there was so muc

my guess is there are probably some politics in south carolina going down on this deal. but you know, the naacp has done more, i think, in terms of alleviating the black condition than any other group in the country, not the least of which is the kansas v. board of education. i don't understand why it is that black conservatives always feel like they're -- you know, they're disenfranchised or nobody likes them. >> he didn't say that. >> he was disenfranchised by the naacp right there. >> maybe i didn't phrase that right. why is it that black conservatives believe that nobody listens to them, that they have the answers, and that we're constantly doubting them? >> who said that? >> the scariest two words in a white liberal dictionary is allen west. if they see him walking down the street, they cross it and get fleeced by al sharpton. it's white liberals, whether it's on social networks or tv, that mock black conservatives. the way they treat maya love, allen west, the way they treat kim scott. it's not an exception. it's the rule. >> and they do the same -- you know, the democratic party does the

carolina back in april of 2013. started as a grass roots organization, run by reverend william barber with the naacp. one point it began in asheville, north carolina, they had a rally of 10,000 people. over the course of last year over 900 people were arrested for the staging rallies which police arrested them for civil disobedience. happy to report here, no arrests played though a few hundred people were on the steps trying to make their way into the state capitol to let legislators know that they were not happy with the morality of the constitutional laws that these folks have passed leer. many of them saying that this is the new southern strategy, they feel that since so many of the southern states are led by what they call extremist republicans that these folks need to take a stand against that and voice their opinions. we talked to one of the leaders, the founder of this movement, reverend william barber, earlier today, and here's what he had to say. >> what do you do when the governor and legislators won't listen to you? what do you to for instance here in georgia where they're talking about de

such as south carolina, politicians, whether they be black or white should not be echoing the position of the far right, there you have it, you should not be echoing that position, and the naacp has pronounced it as such. your thoughts? >> pretty remarkable, and absolutely ridiculous. here's what we should be thinking about, megyn. think about the fact that since the last five and a half years we've seen 7 million more americans fall into poverty, as they're looking forward to an opportunity. we're hearing baseless rhetoric about the same old things have not worked so far. for him to attack me, it's as if you have conservative principles, ideas that actually work. it hasn't taken those who are living in poverty out of it. as you walk-through the restaurants, drive the local bus, we find people strapped. stuck in poverty. >> they said that's the fault of the far right, and that's why they're going after you. and with the name calling that you're a dummy, you're a ventriloquist dummy, because you believe in the conservative position. >> i did almost -- i certainly understand why people would have some kind of opinion that suggests we're not as strong on the right. here's what h

is reverend william barber president of the naacp and leader of the moral monday's movement which is protesting among other things north carolinahank you so much for being here. >> thank you so much, melissa. the utterly ridiculous thing is they say we can get together and actually comply with the law, you know. butterfield actually wrote the government and said we can do better than this. 700,000 people, republicans, democrats, black, white, will be left without a district representative. it's just wrong. 300 days in a time the congress will be dealing with the vra bills, farm bills and all that impacts that particular district. it took us 90 years, melissa, from 1900 to 1990 to get representation it's a crazy little district. worth looking at again. congress ellis was sitting here when we looked at how gerrymandering it was. it is legal and constitutional, but that said, you know, i guess i'm wondering reverend barber if i went down today to a barbershop in greensboro and asked people, you know, dow you know that you live in district 12 and do you know you do not have a representative, what do people say about it? >> people a