joining us on the program is caroline fredrickson, fellow at the brenner -- brennan center for justicegive us an idea of the public reaction to the trial so far where you are. caroline: you know, it is -- pandemic, it is in some sense hard to know how the public is reacting generally, but the testimony has been devastating and there has been high viewership. it is an unusual thing to have a trial of this kind toe broadcast live and have so many people watching that as well as reading about it in the paper. people are really waiting to see what happens and whether there will be accountability, finally, for a black man who has been murdered by a police officer. >> do you think it is likely to accelerate police reform in the country? caroline: absolutely. police reform is really proceeding a pace. there are efforts in cities around the country and in congress to look at issues like the use of force, how officers are hired and trained, what is this is -- what is the disciplinary process, and the issues are front and center for communities. depending on the verdict, either way, it could acc