brian: there's a lot more in your book about benjamin harrison, but i want to have you walk us through the relationship with his wife, caroline, his two kids, and then his subsequent second marriage. charles: well, we talked about harrison meeting caroline in his college days. they got married, i think he was only 20 years old when he got married, quite young. he had this interesting sense, was taking over some teaching for somebody who was ill. harrison convinced himself, unless i marry this woman, she's going to die. interesting notion, but he did marry her. they had a very happy marriage in indianapolis. it was probably the place caroline liked most, where they spent most of their marriage. she had a good life there. they had two children, russell and mary. they had a third child in 1861, who died right after birth. so, they moved to the white house in 1889. caroline harrison is interesting an first lady, because she did all the hostess duties, had her daughter help her, had a niece help her, the cabinet ladies help her. she was not a terribly comfortable person in the public role of first lady. she liked to paint china an

he had the sense that caroline at the female institute was taking over teaching duties. harrisononvinced himself that unless i marry this woman she is going to die. marry her, they had a very happy marriage in indianapolis. was probably the place that caroline liked the most. she had a good life there. they had a two children, russell and mary. they had a third child in 1861 who died right after birth. iny moved to the white house 1889. caroline was interesting as first lady, she did all the hostess duties, she had her daughter and niece helper and the cabinet ladies help her. terriblyot a comfortable person in the public role of the first lady. she likes to paint china and so forth. they had at lots of family living in the white house. it was quite cramped. caroline harrison conceived this idea that what you needed to do was expand the white house. she worked with committees in congress to develop an elaborate program and the drawings were made. as architectural historians say it was a monstrosity. she did get some money to refurbish the white house. in assisting her in her soci