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. >> joining us for more on this is caroline polisi, a lecturer of law at columbia.umping off of what you hear from sarah matthews and what we're learning from this new reporting, how useful and credible could you see molly michael being here? >> huge, kate. molly michael is the cassidy hutchinson of the mar-a-lago investigation. hutchinson was so important to the january 6th inquiry. because really michael is unassailable, unimpeachable, she has no ax to grind in this case, she is not facing potential criminal charges. she was extremely close to the president, his sort of right hand woman. she's credible. so it really is donald trump's worst nightmare. that quote from the reporting, you know, you know nothing about the boxes, that's text book obstruction. textbook witness intimidation. jack smith's case in the mar-a-lago documents matter has always been about obstruction. it's different from, say, you know, the mike pence inquiry, the biden inquiry about documents because of the obstruction. jack smith made it abundantly clear this case really wouldn't probably have