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. >> and joining our conversation now is caroline randal williams. she is writer in residence at vanderbilt university. "you want a confederate monument, my body is a confederate monument." and, caroline, you are one of those people to whom i do not presume to propose a question. i just want to know what your heart is mind and telling you this morning and this afternoon with -- on this historic day. >> well, the first thing that i will say is that black-girl magic is back in the white house. and i am so glad about that. i am wearing a pin from the 100th annual congressional first ladies luncheon that my mother was lucky enough to attend as the guest of congressman, jim cooper, and which she gifted to me. i'm always wearing black but i'm wearing blue to celebrate. so that's my first thought. my second thought is i have been thinking for the last several weeks a great deal about william tecumseh sherman. and atlanta i feel i am at peace with but last i checked, sherman wasn't done until he marched to the sea. and to me, the sea is a blue senate. so, i a

joining you are discussion now, caroline william randall have vanderbilt university, she wrote a highlyy is a confederate monument." thank you for joining us and reflecting on the moment of being able to say congratulations vice president-elect kamala harris. i'm still not used to having a woman's name follow that title and we have been waiting a very long time for this. >> i just -- i think that the way that she waded into that speech just really speaks to her generosity of spirit, to sort of the magnitude that she seems to contain in every direction. you know, she is -- she embodies so many forms of representation. she's 100% all of the things she says she is. she's a woman, she's fully a black woman. she's fully her mother's daughter. she's fully the daughter of immigrants. she's fully a half of an interracial marriage. she represents all of the possibilities of america and she does it in this woman's body. she carries so much and i think she carries it so gracefully. and i'm so -- i'm so grateful to her for being true for all of the things that she comes from and all of the things s

caroline randal williams.ed "a loving chastisement for america." joe biden has won, but it doesn't feel like it's over. those who voted for the republican, a staggering 70 million as of friday evening, will find a more conventional ambassador next time. the 45th president was an aberration only insofar of his corruption and it was brazen instead of subtle. his appearance clownish instead of slick. but the people who voted for him are plenteous, and they have been conditioned for this big tree, not just by the last four years but by centuries. i'm on america's side, but as my grandfather said, love involves chastisement. i love the idea of an america that is free and equal, but we are not there yet. and caroline, i especially love this line, and i read it yesterday. it's why i wanted so much for you to be on the show. it's beautiful. thanks to my father, whom i loved very much, i am an unabashed, fairly old-fashioned patriot. that surprises people. but why can't i speak out against america's ills and then, with