about the program, and did it get to the point of requiring an actual congressional briefing, caroline shivley follows the development, caroline, what do you know about the program. >> eric, we know it was a counterterrorism program and it is indeed classified and "the new york times" reports, it did not involve the cia interrogation program, and it didn't involve domestic intelligence. lawmakers say mr. cheney told the cia to keep congress in the dark on it and cia directors over that time, over those 8 years were okay with it. they thought it never reached a high enough level to warrant a briefing. the law requires the cia to keep the intel committee informed on activity but it never got to fully operational state, they say, so there was not a need to tell congress about it and the worry is, if the more people know about it, the big -- and the more people knowing about it the bigger chance of a leak. >> eric: and congress was briefed continually and fully but leon panetta thought it was big enough to cans it and what does it tell us about the program and what it involves. >> reporter: i thin

joining us from washington, this morning, caroline shivley. caroline, good morning! >> reporter: jamie. >> jamie: the congressional budget office is saying the president's proposed medicare advisory council may not save any money. it really caught a lot of people's attention. what is the administration saying about that? >> reporter: white house press secretary robert gibbs was on fox news surrender this morning and he said the goal there was for saving money in the long term and he point out the cbo does say there is a chance for substantial savings down the road but the forecast is not nearly as rosy in the short-term, the cbo said the agency would probably save only $2 billion for medicare in the first four years or maybe save nothing the at all, and if you compare it to the overall cost of medicare for those four years starting in 2016. that is $2.8 trillion with a "t" and it is indeed a blow because the white house had been touting the agency as a way to help pay for the whole program. gibbs also, it is important to mention, reiterated the president's pledge not

and the president's first stop is in moscow and the number one topic, nuclear weapons, caroline shivley our washington, d.c. bureau with details on the trip. hi, caroline, good morning to you, tell us about the trip. a photo op or something more? >> i think it will get down to the nitty-gritty, the meetings in moscow, jamie and the biggest sticking points for the u.s. and russia is over u.s. plans on a missile defense system based in the czech republic and the u.s. says it is to defend europe from any threats and russia is worried, systems will be pointed right at them and here's what president obama told the russian opposition paper, quote, we are not building and will not build a system aimed to respond to an attack from russia. such thinking is simply a legacy of the cold war. the russians still aren't sure about that, though, and unless they can come to an agreement over missile defense, president medvedev said there can not be a treaty on nuclear arms stroll, and the one packet expires in december and both countries wanted to reduce this number of warheads and there are specifics,

. >> gregg: caroline shivley live in washington with more, caroline any chance they'll get it done beforet recess, i think the 7th of august? >> reporter: you are right, there, it doesn't look like they will be able to get done and gibbs rolled the deadline back on "fox news sunday" saying he thinks they'll have something done by the fall. and the senate said they can't get it in -- done in time before they go out on the august recess and listen to senators on both sides of the aisle describe the new timetable on "this week." >> we meet hours every day, we have got the best analysts in the country helping us and we'll be ready when we are ready. >> let's slow down and get it right. my goal is to protect the right of every american to make their own health care decisions. and if we can do that we can come up with a bill. >> reporter: that is what it looks like on the senate side and the house side leaders say there is a small chance they'll get something passed next week and the bill is trouble in this energy and commerce committee because the blue dog democrats don't like the burden they

caroline shivley with the story live in washington. oline. >> reporter: julie, the congressional budget office says the house health care plan would put the u.s. $239 billion, further in the hole over a decade and today secretary sebelius said the plan is just a work in progress. >> house and senate are actively working and share the president's goal, that overall costs have to come down for everyone. so, they have an initial report, on one of the initial bills, that says in the long term this doesn't bend the cost curve enough. >> democrats say the cbo report is not telling the whole story and dems maintain expected savings from cutting medicare reimbursement, mean reform will actually save the country $6 billion over a decade and it is just not in the bill yet and a planned committee of doctors and medical experts to oversee costs should cut the price tag further and republicans are the not buying it and fighting the half a trillion dollars in taxes proposed in the house bill and the administration tells fox those taxes would only aff

joining us now from washington is caroline shivley, tell us about this event. >> reporter: sure, theiers, and students and victims of katrina who displayed great courage and also spoke about the men who signed the declaration of independence. >> they did the right thing. even when it was hard. they did the brave thing, even when it was risky. they did the noble thing, each when many others would not. >> reporter: this was this biggest audience he has spoken to since leaving audience and was held at a rodeo arena, and the mayor's count, half the number showed up to hear the speech and "the associated press" described the town of a middle of nowhere oil field town and mr. bush said, no wonder i feel so comfortable here, i was born in midland texas and talked about moving home from d.c. to texas and said to his wife, laura, he was free at last. >> she said, yeah, you are free to take out the garbage! and free to mow the lawn and i said, wait a minute, you are talking to the former president. and she said, well, consider that your new domestic policy agenda! >> reporter: he detailed what