i should tell you fellows i'm an honorary north carolinian. the governor signed a proclamation and i do not have plastic flamingos on my yard, but otherwise i have bought into it. i really have. yes, sir. >> assume that about if someone were to nominate robert e. lee later in the day, assume that's a possibility, since we're not having a panel discussion at the end that will give us all a came chance to diss each other's k d candidate, what would you say to someone who nominated -- why should the audience vote for seasonwall jackson instead of lee? >> well, i could hardly shriek with horror, but the question of when in southern consciousness, everything else aside, the track of the two crossed is something i've long debated with gary gallagher. he's inclined to think lee became the man in the south in perception well before jackson's death. i'm no t so sure of that. but lee's rise to prominence was later than jackson's. number one. number two, lee's rise to prominence was in some considerable degree facilitated by jackson's success allowing th

. >> and many south carolinians, especially citizens of color, were born at home and lack birth certificates, and so to obtain those birth certificates is a very costly endeavor and also an administrative nightmare. >> reporter: south carolina is one of several states, mostly in the south, that because of a history of discrimination is required by the voting rights act of 1965 to get clearances from the stice department whenever changes are make to voting laws. dr. brenda williams has registered hundreds to vote. she says the new legislation is reminiscent of the jim crow laws that legalized discrimination against african americans even at polling places until they were abolished by the voting rights act. >> there was a poll tax back during those days, and african americans had to pay a tax. african americans were penalized when they went to even register to vote at the courthouse. they were given literacy tests and h to ess how ma marbles were in a jar and different things in order to deter and disenfranchise as many people as possible. >> reporter: does this remind you of that? >> yes, thi

while you find a literate carolinian. this fellow writing home to his family, said the army loved him and sort of in the same vein as the cleric, i believe he was taken away to learn us not to depend upon the arm of flesh. a punishment for being too much admired in the south. a similarly piased virginian reached the blissful conclusion in a letter of mid-may of '63 that it is all for the best. but he could not help in the very same letter admitting in a little bit less relentlessly optimistic view, i almost feel like we are without a general now. the few southerners who were still not impressed by jackson, even after his valley triumphs, even after his death, were primarily motivated, it seems to me, by jealousy. general joe johnston who had more than ample reason for jealousy of almost everyone, and no real credentials for pontification, he insisted that jackson was not a mill carry genius but rather simply possessed with sublime these yaya -- enthusive sam. he did have sublime enthusiasm, but perhaps more than johnston

. >> david hersey a fellow north carolinian or carolinian i should say. a question for you with regard come you didn't really speak about it but given the kind of state of economic disaster that we are in under this president and the and the state of the union he talked about you know the fact that we look strong in the world and some other things that i felt weren't true. could you speak just briefly about how our economic situation is impacting our ability to get things done around the world and leverage foreign policy and how it is tied in with the debate right now? >> it was hard to listen to that speech. it was like we were living in different worlds. wide-awake canceling a major pipeline of oil supply from our biggest energy provider and then next week saying we are doing everything we can to create and make america more independent. a number of things like that, like making us a manufacturing nation. i go to a lot of manufactures and the biggest problem they have is obama karen dodds frank, the government pick eating winners and losers, the lack of

offer of black troops entrusted to the command of john lawrence, a radically minded young south carolinian who dissented from his region's prevailing views on race. clearly moved by the effusive lines of verse directed his way by the first of her race to have a book of poetry published. in the spring of 1776, washington saw to it that ms. wheatley's poem appeared in "the pennsylvania" magazine. this was remarkable enough. still more improbable was the general's invitation to "miss phyllis," as he addressed her to call upon him at his army headquarters in cambridge, massachusetts. quote, i shall be happy to see a person so favored by the muses, wrote washington, and to whom nature has been so liberal and beneficent in her dispositions. washington's courtesy mashed his prediction, though they too evolved during and after the war. by the time of yorktown, virtually nothing remained of the glory-seeking young colonial who had boasted of his exploits and thirsted after recognition by the very military establishment he would go on to humiliate. in october 1781, at his greatest moment of martial

. >> i knew you would get lucky for me fellow carolinian. >> congressman, he has always shown graciousness towards me and i appreciate he is yielding. thank you for that. senator, how were you possibly to have vetted nlrb appointees when the names were submitted to the senate? >> thank you for raising that. with regard to two of the appointees to the nlrb, their names were submitted just right before the christmas holidays, and just days before impact, and as a result they had not gone to the committee process. they hadn't been vetted by any committee. we hadn't had any time to set any committee hearing. and so that in and of itself ought to attention to the legitimacy of the procedures, the legitimacy of the constitutional analysis that led to these unconstitutional recess appointments. it really is a stretch to say the least, to say that any of these are legitimate recess appointees. and particularly so with regard to those. this underscores the point this was not justified, cannot be justified by the fact that inevitably in any senate confirmation proceeding, for any nominee there may b

and john rutledge, as perhaps you all know, was about as high in the south carolinian aristocracy as you could. >> and there was nothing higher than that. >> nothing higher than john rutledge. and he sends his slave -- i think it was the fourth of july to see the fireworks, to go to thompson's tavern and go up on the roof of thompson's tavern to see the fireworks. well, thompson turns the slave away. a female slave. he says no, you can't go up there. well, rutledge is outraged. and he goes then -- he's a major figure of course in the state legislature. he goes to the state legislature. and he urges a bill to banish thompson from the state for this insult. well, thompson takes to the press. and he writes, what can only be a typical american claim of equality against this kind of arrogance. i think it expressed a kind of middling resentment that this coming-out -- and for all places to take place in charleston shows that even there where the structure of the society was much more hierarchical than it was in boston, a typical american resentment against the snobbery, this arrogance that

i am proud to have an opportunity to introduce a -- an old friend of mine, a proud north carolinian and an east carolina pirate and one of this country's foremost education leaders and innovators dr. dpreer. while dr. grier has served as the superintendent across six states he has experienced the public education situation from all levels. a graduate of vanderbilt and as a teacher, a coach and a high school principal. i first met him in 2000 when he was the superintendent of my hometown of the gilford county in north carolina. i happen to represent that county in the state senate at the time. during that eight years, dr. grier led the district as it cut the dropout rate in half to less than 3%, increased the high school graduation rate from 63% to nearly 80%. received one of the -- and the center for creative leadership to help train the leaders and as we know today, early college institutes across the country wildly seen as one of the most effective ways to steer our low income students on a path to success. then dr. grier continued his track record in san diego where he helped reduce

. >> bag carolinian, i can see your perspective you not sure he needs north carolina, he got it lastliberals in your caucus. is everybody pretty cool with this guy now? he stood up for women's rights on the issue we just talked about, even though it seems like an archaic discussion about birth control he definitely stood with the women who care most about it, people like boxer and secretary sebelius, but it seems like he has got the high hand right now. he has got the rope in his hand, if you will, whatever the phrase is he seems to be on top. >> well, i think all along, chris, the president has understood where the american people are and of course, he stood with women because the overwhelming majority of women believe in contra accepts in this country and he did get it right on straightening things out with the church and the separation between church and state but also gotten it right on the economy. the american people can see that our economy has been growing for 23 straight months. we have been creating jobs and opportunity. we need to extend unemployment insurance for those wh

a poll shows a third of south carolinians couldn't identify joe biden.ent from a pugh poll from 2010 that said americans couldn't pick him out of a police lineup. give me ideas how joe biden can bump up his profile, robert? >> he's got to overcome his shyness. let's be realistic about it. >> or his comments that make the news all the time. >> let's be realistic about it, first of all, nobody votes for vice president. people vote for president. a vice president could cost you votes, that's not the case with joe biden. he really connects with people. i'd put him on a number of the late night talk shows, because he's entertaining and very genuine. >> will? >> i think robert's right. this isn't a joe biden problem. joe biden is no one that avoids the spotlight. if there's a vice president people should know, it's probably joe biden. the problem isn't with him, it's the american people. if he wants to be more well known, put civics books in people's hands, you got to educate them more. >> i don't think joe biden needs to be well known than he is, a little goe

. >> i knew you would get lucky for me fellow carolinian. >> congressman, he has always shown graciousness towards me and i appreciate he is yielding. thank you for that. senator, how were you possibly to have vetted nlrb appointees when the names were submitted to the senate? >> thank you for raising that. with regard to two of the appointees to the nlrb, their names were submitted just right before the christmas holidays, and just days before impact, and as a result they had not gone to the committee process. they hadn't been vetted by any committee. we hadn't had any time to set any committee hearing. and so that in and of itself ought to draw attention to the legitimacy of the procedures, the legitimacy of the constitutional analysis that led to these unconstitutional recess appointments. it really is a stretch to say the least, to say that any of these are legitimate recess appointees. and particularly so with regard to those. this underscores the point this was not justified, cannot be justified by the fact that inevitably in any senate confirmation proceeding, for any nominee there