carolyn ryan, you're washington bureau chief for "the new york times." i'm put you on the spot by even asking the question, you look at her management style, tough editor obviously. so many women are telling each other time to lean in, time to get over self-confidence. is the culture ready for that? >> in terms of the culture, the one thing i worry a little bit about is it feels like there's all this legitimate pent up frustration among women about broader sexism issues, and i worry a little bit with this story that it's essentially become a chair couture. so you have jill abramson, who is an extraordinary journalistic thinker and one of the best brains of her generation, formidable intellect, and now she's being caricatured as a victim, and "the new york times," which is essentially its major news department is being run by women day to day is being caricatured as a bastion of sexism which isn't true and hasn't been my experience there. so i just worry that there's a way that much of the frustration gets transferred onto the story that isn't accurate. >

carolyn ryan, you're washington bureau chief for "the new york times." i'm put you on the spot by even asking the question, you look at her management style, tough editor obviously. so many women are telling each other time to lean in, time to get over self-confidence. is the culture ready for that? >> in terms of the culture, the one thing i worry a little bit about is it feels like there's all this legitimate pent up frustration among women about broader sexism issues, and i worry a little bit with this story that it's essentially become a caricature. so you have jill abramson, who is an extraordinary journalistic thinker and one of the best brains of her generation, formidable intellect, and now she's being caricatured as a victim, in "the new york times," which is essentially its major news department is being run by women day to day is being caricatured as a bastion of sexism which isn't true and hasn't been my experience there. so i just worry that there's a way that much of the frustration gets transferred onto the story that isn't accurate. >> is

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in 2013, she made carolyn ryan the urine she.he also made pamela paul head of the sunday book review. in addition, abramson created a race and it is city beat at the paper, covered by national a andspondent tanzina veg appointed margaret sullivan as public editor -- the first woman to hold the position at the paper. it's also worth noting "the new york times" opinion page outside the executive editors purview has attended two ratio of male to female columnists. this,is true, and we know when women run something, they tend to appoint other women. and certainly, she did that with into theso many women management position. i just want to say that the appointment of margaret sullivan as the publisher's apartment, not the editors appointment. arthur sulzberger was responsible for her appointment. butjill but many, many women in top positions. she was a role model for the women. we know how upset they are to see the way in which she was dismissed. >> can you look back in terms of your struggles with the industry, when women begin to ra

jill brought many women into leadership positions and two of the people carolyn ryan, washington bureauef and lydia pullgram, the assistant foreign editor and margaret sullivan, totally independent and can say anything critical she wants about the times, all three of them have said this was not a gender issue. so it's a complicated story but it started a conversation within the workplace among women because it so emphasized the issues that women face. >> i hear lynn, from people, is the way it all came about, the fact that when she was fired and she did not want to be part of some fake handoff, handing off of the baton, i understand that, that so little was said about the pulitzer and progress at the time, the paper is so much better in the years the brilliant editor with a in charge and it did create questions about whether women who are tough and aggressive are judged differently than the men. i've never known as "the new york times" as a happy workplace nor have her predecessors been known a congenial, easy going people. for to the contrary. this was arthur salzberger's first public