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in the homes there would have been furniture made by thomas lincoln, a very skilled carpenter. here you see examples of his corner cabinets. they relate to the maximum, you get what you pay for. on the one side, we have a simple, practical corner cabinet that would have been something that was extremely utilitarian. in the other corner, we have a much more high style corner cabinet with beautiful inlay that really shows the level of detail and fine craftsmanship thomas lincoln brought to his work. finally, we have a mallet belonging to abraham lincoln. he spent his formative years in indiana ages 7-21. this mallet, we like to refer to it as the rail splitter. at one time, it was an actual rail splitting mall. you can see a groove where the burls split in half and lincoln repurposed it into a bench mallet. he also put his initials and the year, 1829 on the mallet. transportation was always a challenge. the earliest was along rivers. there was more mor need for roa. federal government has started the national road leaving cumberland, maryland and in the 1830's it came to indiana.

coming up another big win for t niners, but they ave new orleans unscathed mark carpenter will be here explaining some. >>significant injurknows to have the roster. >>and a controversial abortion law will stand in kentucky why thstate argues doctors who make the mothers listen to the fetal heartbeat. >>and if you want to skip the commercials and get mornews during the break make sure you are streaming us on the very institution of popular doors, the owner of the shop tells kron 4 says he could you why she can no longerfford to stay in business. >>the list is do it's like these have been available for nearly 30 years here at chuck's coffee and doughns in san carlos that is unt now you have to close us out. yes. today's the last day yes. chuck's coffee that's tea and bully cool says she is closing down because she could longer afford the but clear it which was a lile over $1900 business back in r the 1991. the writ is higherow. selling coffee and doughnuts at this location s once profitable, but she says that it did years agwith the installation of this overpass major construction projec

be like roller coaster of emotions not seahawks in prime time sunday night they wait a queue mark carpenternt to take a look outside right now as we check on the 4 zone forecast. >>bring in the biggest raiders fan we know, chief meteorologist lawrence days are getting longer after the salsa saturday, but there's a storm number one there's a right in time for saying that would you know what i'm exceptionally good this year and so i would want to miss the best plans but yeah, i mean it's going to get cold out there tonight right now it is mostly clear with the golden gate bridge and a beautiful out there tonight looks like it is going to change just a little bit we'll see a couple clouds floating in little bit later on that storm clouds yeah they are swirling around in southern california, how about that headed to los angeles and the clouds going start to move out, but they're still seeing some rain and you can even see some snow san bernardino mountain range there snow. >>a continuing up over this year that as well the bay area now looking dry and that's why it's going to stay for tonight, b

but prior to the carpenter case, and the lead up to carpenter. they filed a series of requested department of justice to try to get a handle on how prevalent this activity actually was. how many of these orders are out there? and so we solve their quest seeking the disclosure of these 27d location warrants with the department of justice, and we ultimately had to sue because they had not responded. in this case to the issue of generally surveillance oversight. which we fundamentally do not have public transparency of oversight of location tracking or broadly in the context of the collection of electronic records, e-mails and otherwise. contrast that with the scheme of the wiretap act which is the recording and the reception of communications and real-time. that's where we have a very robust reporting regime, congress enacted in the 1960s and carried out to this day, the administrative office of the u.s. courts that compiles is very comprehensive report, and releases it every year, it's epic and other groups have historically assessed, reviewed, po

atlanta falcons this week are carpenters b >>and we over the sport cas recapping the big news, we broughtthe show peter de boer dismissed as head coach of the san joie sharks. he was in the middle of his 5th season with san jose had a relatively successful tenure leading the team to the ayoffs for the last 4 yes go to the video of tto run that includes a trip to the stanley cup fina with this season, the sharks and played below expectations near the bottom the conference in points currently on a fal 5 game losing streak. that's ach bob filner taking over still an interim basis sharks play the rangers tomorrow night. let's talk to 49 ers couple major story lines going into sunday the niners have a chance tclinch a playoff spot. and this is another reunion for kyle shanahan, he has bumped into his former teams this year playing the browns in the redskins on the schedule. no an atlanta team where he experienced a ton of success before taking thetop job. in san francisco spent 2 seasons as the falcons offensive coordinator under dan quinn led the defense in seattle when did the 2016 campaign

carpenters local 22. we really support this project. and z boston properties has always been a friend of labor and always been good to us and always worked with us. and i tell you a few things and when they have a responsible contractor and for us it means a livable wage with medical and retirement benefits. it allows workers and families to live in the communities they live and work in. and the wages will be re-invested into the local economy. and they spend their earnings and tax dollars to help the local schools, the government, and commitment to accredited apprenticeship programs to guarantee we will continue to have trained, skilled and experienced work force. this is able to complete high quality projects in a safe and timely manner. i know i went through the apprenticeship. i recommend for all the guys and there are some that don't. and some companies don't have apprenticeship programs. and actually, i don't think those jobs are safe to work at. and i'm part of that program and i'm happy to be here today. i really support this pr

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. >> how do you think carpenter applies in the fisa collection process? >> so, the court in carpenter essentially held there are certain types of information that are so sensitive, so inherently sensitive in what they reveal about a person's life that the mere part they're held by a third party does not e invis rate the trust. the court was very careful to say that it was limiting itself to the facts of the case. it said that this would not apply to, quote, other techniques that are used in the foreign intelligence and national security areas. but if, in fact, section 215 is being used to collect cell site collection technique, that is another technique so i think carpenter would apply there. and while the court is not responsible for applying its general principles to cases that aren't in front of it, congress can't avoid that, right? and the government can't avoid that. you need to figure out how before reauthorizing this legislation, how you think carpenter would apply to some of the other technologies and some of the other information that we know tha

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a quick note, on carpenter, following the carpenter decision the department of justice does not get that data with section 2703 anymore, they have to get warrants. we don't know how many warrants they are getting. we filing a request after carpenter so we have surveillance applications being sought by federal and state prosecutors and issued by federal and state courts. we focus on the federal level and the department of justice and we know because they are seeking these applications and obtaining surveillance orders they have records of this activity so we focus on surveillance orders issued in 2016, 2017 and with new requests, 2018-19 and we ask for the negative office of us attorneys to give us a copy of every order that was issued for location surveillance. we spent more than a year litigating this case and the answer so far has been we don't know. the department of justice says there is no way to search for these things. we obviously pride beyond the initial answer that we can search for this because they are not in the general election database. they never disputed they have the re

. >> a carpenter. >> carpenter. >> what got you to carpentry? >> jesus. the christmas tree itself.did that originate from? >> i believe it was russia. >> probably not. the middle east. sweden, maybe? >> norway. >> closer. >> i don't know, i'm out of gases. >> i believe it was germany. >> germany? >> your money. >> unbelievable. >> do you say merry christmas or happy holidays? >> merry christmas. >> wrong, happy holidays, be inclusive. >> it's artificial. >> the gift that keeps on giving the whole year. >> you know how many fossil fuels are burned to make that tree? >> i love it though. >> the environment won't. what are you asking for for christmas? >> jewelry. >> with all the artwork and devastation in the world? >> not anything big. >> batteries. >> what you need batteries for? >> toys. >> what kind of toys are you buying? >> xbox 360. >> xbox 360? how about a book instead? >> what? >> shopping at the donald trump store? >> cufflinks and a shirt. >> for my sister. >> ever heard of a previous? >> no. >> mileage? or what you get trump for christmas? >> nothing. >> maybe he should g

>> alice carpenter. she led some of the questioning. >> what did you make of the daughter, may?the feeling she was honest with me, but you never know. people are deceptive. >> the cops went through narcy's story once again, hoping for an overlooked detail or investigative nugget. >> she is the grieving, all of a sudden widow? >> exactly. we need that information. she's the last person that saw mr. novack. >> narcy told detectives there was something of value missing, a gold bracelet that spelled out ben's name in diamonds, an expensive rolex watch was still on the bed lying in a pool of blood as well as an unexplained broken stem from a cheap pair of sunglasses. and then there was the matter of her husband's huge batman collection and a rare comic valued at $43,000 he was planning on selling that weekend. >> batman might have been a motivation for murder, his passion in life. >> uh-huh. >> he had a valuable comic and somebody else wanted it. >> correct. >> or wanted the value of it. >> correct. >> sunday was over. on monday the cops would hear about the novack's tie-me-up sex ga

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it was matthew carpenter.e don't have matthew carpenter's brief, unfortunately, but we do know from private correspondence that it was carpenter who argued the case, not black. jeremiah black is listed as a lawyer for the crescent city company. is actually listed in the decision. search his name and you will find it, but black is cited for something called the motion to dismiss. is representing the crescent toy company for a motion dismiss and with regard to the motion to dismiss, there is one final twist in the story. that twist pertains to both scholarly claims about jeremiah black and the racism on both sides argument and one of bradley's dubious moves. this is after the butchers have lost at the state won at the circuit level and after the supreme court held the case over for reargument, because they held the case over for reargument and we know in retrospect there was a 4-4 tie. in 1871, before re-argument, those white racist teachers represented by campbell, fighting the crescent city company, in 1871, t

romaine: our thanks to ubs chief economist seth carpenter.want to bring you some breaking news on continental resources. harold hamm is apparently rely cushing his role as ceo of continental resources. joe: william barry in a press release has been appointed ceo. romaine:this is bloomberg. ♪ ♪ romaine: breaking news on lululemon, shares moving lower after hours after the company reported earnings. 3q came in above estimates but the company give a fourth quarter eps estimate of $213 a share, basically in line to slightly below what they were looking for and it appears to be what is pushing down shares. they gave a full year outlook that was higher than estimates. but again, they are expecting more. joe: and more breaking news out of brazil. seems the fed is not the only central bank with a dovish posture. brazil cutting its benchmark lending rates from 5% to 4.5%. a 50 basis point cut. they see gradual economic recovery. and the central bank recommending caution in monetary policy. romaine: let's turn to billionaire ken griffin. does he have a

. >> the word tech ton is not a technical term for carpenter. artisan of some kind working in stone or wood, and so joseph has a trade. he has a home, and he's got enough money to get betrothed and to marry a wife. >> i think 100 years ago, scholars might have thought of joseph and mary as a poor family, as a family who were just keeping their heads above water as it were, whereas modern scholars are beginning to think that they had a little bit to work with. >> the family of joseph was claiming a royal descent. obviously the line of david was a very significant one, and so by definition, that would tend to set them apart from others within a given village or community. >> joseph we know a bit more about than the origins of mary. >> within the archaeological site, a series of domestic objects have been recovered. kept in this simple cabinet, they are tangible evidence that a woman once lived here, and they give us an insight into her life. >> a spindle whorl is a disc with a hole in the center used as a weight in spinning wool or other yarn. >>

>> he was a prophet, a carpenter. so what got you into carpenter income i have say jesus.esse: the christmas tree itself. what country did that originate from? >> russia? buffalo? the middle east? maybe sweden? norway? finland? i'm out of gases. jesse: >> i believe it was germany, germany? germany. jesse: unbelievable. do you say merry christmas or happy holidays. >> merry christmas. >> wrong it's a happy is inclusive. have you bought your christmas tree yet? >> yes and it's artificial. jesse: unanimity fossil fuels are burned to make that fossil tree? >> but alas forever. jesse: the environment won't. what are you asking for christmas? jewelry. jesse: south all the heartache in the world you're asking for jewelry? >> not anything big. >> batteries, i have kids, they have toys. jesse:>> what could have toys or buying her kids for christmas? >> i got xbox 360. jesse: xbox 360 how about a book instead? you are shopping at the donald trump store. what kind of things to do by the donald trump store? >> couplings for my son and his shirt. jesse: never heard of a priss? >> zero

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so i went to this school, and i was getting a qualification to be a carpenter. a lot of people trying to turn their lives around, ex-cons, and swapping stories and stuff. and i was like one time on set my coffee was cold, man, and it was really tough. and then i didn't finish the course. >> jimmy: are you capable, as far as carpentry goes? >> yeah, pretty capable. all my mum's side of the family are all carpenters. so my granddad taught me when i was young. i built my mom's kitchen table. >> jimmy: you did? >> i built a cabinet in her kitchen. i fixed a friend's door once. it's pretty impressive. >> jimmy: is it a good table? >> it still works. it's like ten years old and it's still there. >> jimmy: and it looks good? >> it's great, it's bowing a little bit. you can still eat at it. >> jimmy: i didn't know hundred you had this in you. i'm impressed. last time, bob iger was here. the ceo of the disney corporation. he runs abc, marvel, everything really. >> yes. >> jimmy: he was telling us a story about, of course we most of us who care know that at one time sony,

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tim ryan racially charged mark carpenter is here now been suspended again some people say should have been suspended more. >>other people say it's much ado about nothing in this era where everybody has an opinion invoices it on social media. this is where we are carla said quite the situation has developed over the last few days now, tim ryan, one of the longtime voice is a 49 ers football has been suspended from this sunday's game. >>stemming from remarks made earlier this week about baltimore ravens quarterback, lamar jackson, ryan was breaking down the 49 ers loss against baltimore during a monday morning interview on can be are when discussing jackson's ability to fake handoffs he reportedly said quote, he's really good at that fake lamar jackson, but when you consider his dark skin color with a dark football with the dark uniform, you cannot see that thing the 49 ers announced his suspension this afternoon in a statement, the team said we hold him to a high standard as a representative of our organization and he but must be more thoughtful with his words, tim has expressed remors

mark carpenter is with us to break down what is at stake obviously a ton just an exciting weekend ofootball, you know e last time the 49 ers and seahawks myth that was the game of the year yet here we are again in week 17 anther game of the year at where we got one of their marshawn lynch is back there i look at all these great story lines here now a prime opportity in front the niners right now who can not only clincd the divion me-field advantage, but also and what's become a stretch of awful trips to seattle. >>9 or seahawks sunday nigh dee ford willnot be making his return. it doesn't look like quasi tarred will be suiting up either the san francis looking for its first win in seattle since 2011 get this back when jim harbgh was the coach. alex smith at quarterback seattle didn't even have russell wilson ye last year the niners lost by 27 up the now good thing this time is george ttle will be in the mix he ssed the first meeting with the hawks that monday night overtime heartbreaker and carol knows at kind of loud atmosphere to expect that's enyway. >>not be no real effect you'd

joining us now is michael carpenter.ently the senior director at the pen's biden center for diplomacy and global engagement. thank you for being with us. i really appreciate you making time tonight. >> i wanted to ask you given the historic events of today, the speaker of the house announcing that impeachment articles will be drawn up against president trump for his actions in ukraine, i wanted to ask you about her connecting that, her connecting the impeachment to president trump's overall relationship with russia and his relationship toward vladimir putin which has been of such strong concern since even before he was elected. what do you make of her drawing those connections today on this historic day? >> well, i think there is a russia thread that runs through everything we've seen about how trump tried to pressure ukraine into delivering these sham investigations. and in particularly when it comes to the investigation of the 2016 election. this notion that ukraine interfered in our election as opposed to russia is re

a little bit of. 1503011 we carpenter's case in chambers and it's my understanding you are still smoking discovery you should use defense counsel any other green with regard to discovery or any other issues in this case i'd like to raise an issue that or the last time we were here. sir firstly requested a trial date of april 1st. there seemed to be some resistance from some of the parties and that i respectfully requesting that the core putdowns of temper 20th tuesday as a real trial date there should be no reason why myself and co-counsel all co-counsel the state as well cannot be ready by that time to try this case these are 3 young men who have been incarcerated been denied their pretrial liberty by a massive excessive bail that nobody in this court could make they've waited long and hard for a trial they deserve a trial the state deserves a trial and we're sitting here again not able to do that i would love the stench of robbie just say that's a danger and that we're going to proceed on that day. but the state has to make it's finally over and the fence then have to make informed dec

the founder of the machine some 80 people work together to bring dragged into life metal workers carpenters artists and programmers. and 1st i made a sketch sculpture used to complete this wooden model so simply served as the prototype for the dragon of calais. then i had to be rendered digitally. the dragon skin is made up of about $200.00 individually crafted wooden components. rule. blue is a bit more vivid than this one. the. the symbol of the artistic ensemble is a giant elephant it regularly takes a stroll around the machine's exhibition grounds and no. elephant and other mobile creatures created over the past 20 years can be seen and experienced their. move with the sun every new design is adapted to a given situation yeah i do the history of a town or a certain location. i have the good fortune of the place i'm designing a new machine for inspires me. this emotion. back in color it takes a crew of 17 people to execute and synchronize the dragon's movements. but if he does it if you stay in line with. lookout never live up. farther never really get a good number of those the jobs per

disabilities seen primarily as people with disabilities and not as citizens, students, artists, carpenters? >> i guess so, yes, particularly in the media. we only show disabled people in public when it is about disabled -- policies about disability. we do not show them in other contexts like entertainment or sports, so i think we have difficulty in germany and overall in the world to show disabled people as normal people who have a normal job and normal life. brent: what about the way we describe people with disabilities? we say, for example -- we don't say someone is blind. we say maybe they have vision disabilities. how important is the language for improving inclusion, or does it actually worked to hinder more inclusion? brent: i think words describe our reality, so it is very important to use words correctly, and if i look in the actual situation in germany, we have a big problem, that we miss what disabled people really need because we describe them wrong. we describe that the problem is the body of the disabled. we have a perspective that is really medicine type or into the biology s

the recent supreme court cases like jones and carpenter there was a hesitation on the part of the american political system with just the amount of data that is streaming in these days that is stored in this accessible. we used to have very bright lines about third-party data and metadata content. those seem to be suffering from some erosion. i think one of the difficulties will be the lawyers who practice in the area and some of that erosion is predictable and if you don't have clean lines it's always a difficult area to practice in. >> people in the room have written about the third party doctrine and its evolution. it's hard to imagine 30 minutes have flown. we have to remember that jack was from the fbi not doj and one of the issues is we want to thank you for your service. it's great to have someone who approaches the law the way you do with that level of integrity. we all admire what you do and we thank you for taking the job. it's not easy. we have two gifts. what is our coin which allows you to get refreshments. any member of the committee when you need it. stack to give it back to

that happened in 2018 and prior to the carpenter case and a lead up to carpenter affleck filed a seriesof requests with the apartment of justice to try to get a handle on how prevalent this activity actually was and how many of these orders are out there. we found a request seeking disclosure of the 2703 location data warrants with the deferment of justice and ultimately had to sue because they had not responded and this gets to the issue of generally surveillance oversight which we do fundamentally have public transparent public oversight and location data tracking or broadly in the context of the collection of electronic records e-mails and otherwise. contrast that with the scheme under the wiretap act which is title iii which is reporting an interception for vacation in real time where a robust congress enacted in the 1960s carried out tuesday the administered of office of the u.s. courts compiled this very competence of report and releases it every year and a number of other groups like epic have historically recessed, viewed and made available at these and it allows us to scrutiniz