host: two is carrie chapman catt, what is her background, and what is she play such a huge role in this movement? guest: carrie chapman catt is one of the most important figures in american women's suffrage history. as the story goes, carrie catt was growing up in iowa, rural iowa. she was the daughter of farmers, and the 1872 presidential election, her mother and father were both, she thought, politically engaged, and the day of the election came, her father got ready to go into town to vote, along with some of the farm workers who worked on the and she their father, did not understand why her mother was not getting ready to go into town to vote. and she asked, "aren't you going into town with dad to vote?" and everybody laughter and said, "don't be silly, carrie, women don't vote." and that is probably the moment in time, when she was 13 years old, that carrie chapman catt became a suffragist. she started her suffrage career in iowa, worked at the state level. eventually, she was married and moved it to the northeast and became involved with the national american women's suffrage asso

and that's probably the moment in time, when she was 13 years old, that carrie chapman catt became aagist. she started her career in iowa, worked at the state level. eventually she was married and moved to the northeast and became involved with the national american women suffrage association. she became the protege of susan b. anthony. susan b. anthony knew at a certain period of time that she would probably not live to see women voting all across the united states. so, at that point in time, susan b. anthony decided she needed to recruit women that would take her place, and carrie chapman catt was the person who susan b. anthony recruited to take her place. she played a pivotal role, several times, in the women's suffrage movement, certainly as a strategist and definitely in nashville, tennessee, for the final fight. >> we have pictures from outside the white house. what role did president woodrow wilson play in all of this? did he have a view? >> yes, he absolutely had a view. woodrow wilson, when he came to the white house in 1913, was not a supporter of women's suffrage. in fact

even carrie chapman catt, very involved in nashville, stayed in her hotel room. she did not interface directly with legislators deciding how to vote on the 19th amendment. she had her supporters from the national american women's suffrage association who had tennessee ties doing that for her. >> we talked about elizabeth standen and susan b. anthony, who were pioneers in this and what role do they play? >> unfortunately, both susan b other earlier supporters of the women's suffrage movement were not alive when this happened. they had died earlier in the 20th century. the women's suffrage movement is an example of three generations of the movement. ,he movement of susan b anthony , the nextcady stanton generation would be the carrie chapman catts and the women involved. the third generation is alice paul, ida b wells. generations of activism and women to get the 19th amendment over the hump and over the hurdle. >> we have a photograph of lucy burns. it is located in fairfax county. for disrupting society. >> that is correct. she was the american suffer just, lucy

and carrie chapman catt was the person susan b. anthony recruited to take her place.she played a pivotal role several times in the women's suffrage movement, certainly as a strategist and definitely in nashville, tennessee for the final fight. >> and those demonstrations came to washington d.c.. we have pictures from outside of the white house. what role did president woodrow wilson play in all of this? did he have a view? >> yes, he absolutely had a view. woodrow wilson, when he came to the white house in 1913 was not a supporter of women's suffrage. in fact, she tried to avoid the issue as much as possible. as time went on went on and would hurt the democratic party for a long time in the future. the suffragists led by alice paul we're the first citizens to protest in front of the white house, and they started in 1913. first, he was lukewarm in their presence. he would politely not at them when he would exit the north case of the white house and after the united states was involved in the war effort and the suffragists remained outside of the white house protesting,

even carrie chapman catt, very involved in nashville, stayed in her hotel room.he did not interface directly with legislators deciding how to vote on the 90 the amendment. she had her supporters from the national american women's suffrage association who had tennessee ties doing that for her. we talked about elizabeth standen and susan b. anthony, who were pioneers in this and what role do they play? andt: susan b. anthony elizabeth cady stanton and other earlier supporters of the women's suffrage movement were not alive when this happened. they had died earlier in the 20th century, so the women's suffrage movement really is an example of three generations of the movement. the movement of susan b. anthony and lucretia montt, lisbeth cady truth, andjourner then the next generation, which would be carrie chapman catt and others involved at that point in time. is therd generation alice paul generation, ida b wells, who are a little younger. three generations of activism and women to get the 19th amendment over the hurdle to make it part of the constitution. we have

host: two is carrie chapman catt, what is her background, and what is she play such a huge role in thist? guest: carrie chapman catt is one of the most important figures in american women's suffrage history. as the story goes, carrie catt was growing up in iowa, rural iowa. she was the daughter of farmers, and the 1872 presidential election, her mother and father were both, she thought, politically engaged, and the day of the election came, her father got ready to go into town to vote, along with some of the farm workers who worked on the and she their father, did not understand why her mother was not getting ready to go into town to vote. and she asked, "aren't you going into town with dad to vote?" and everybody laughter and said, "don't be silly, carrie, women don't vote." and that is probably the moment in time, when she was 13 years old, that carrie chapman catt became a suffragist. she started her suffrage career in iowa, worked at the state level. eventually, she was married and moved it to the northeast and became involved with the national american women's suffrage association.

. >> reporter: leading suffrages like carrie chapman catt gathered at the hotels. >> carrie chapman cattzation. >> reporter: historian susan ware. >> she has been involved in the movement since the 1880s. she is ready to bring this to a close. ♪ oh, dear >> reporter: an army of anti-suffrages was there as well. ♪ women are wanting to vote ♪ >> brennan: so what is their rationale? >> for some, it is a religious and moral decision. some feel that women seeking equality will lead to a disruption of gender roles. for others, they a --soth -- they are racist and they don't want black women to vote. >> brennan: also weighing in on the anti-suffrage side -- ere are corporate interests that don't want women to get the vote. they fear if women could get the vote, they would want to abolish child labor. >> brennan: the liquor lobby kept a suite on the eighth floor of the hotel, free drinks for legislators 24/7. they're liquoring up the legislators? >> you bet. and carrie chapman catt was asked, is every legislator drunk. and she was like, yes, yes, they are. >> the challenge is that it was always