curious well-educated children outside the conventional classroom, and it's written by carrie mcdonald ms. mcdonald before we get into the substance of the book. tell us a little bit about yourself. sure, it's great to be with you peter. i am a senior education fellow at the foundation for economic education to celebrating our 75th year anniversary. this year is the country's oldest free market think tank. i'm also an adjunct scholar at the cato institute a frequent writer at forbes. and as you mentioned the author of unschooled which came out in 2019 in the spring of 2019, but actually had quite a bit of renewed interest over the past year plus given the school shutdowns and the upsurge and interest in homeschooling and alternatives to schools particularly with again school shutdown. and delayed reopening plans now on a practical level. have you been a teacher in a classroom or do you have children who are of school age? so i am a homeschooling mom myself. i have four children who have never been schooled who range in age from 7 to 14. and so the book does tie in some of that sort of personal expe