he had an affair with carrie phillips. old friends. they were both -- the phillips and hardings were all related in a connected way in ohio. and what happens over time is warring falls in love with carrie and florence finds out about this. sometime between 1905, when florence gets sick for the first time, and 1911, she discover this is affair. they were still friends, they were still vacationing together. your caller asks how was this happening? and how did florence react to this? well, not very happily. in fact, she asked him to consider divorce. but warren refused. he knew he needed her, partly for the reasons i alluded to, for his career and other ways. he agreed to downplay this affair and i believe he committed to sort of ending it but in fact he did not, as it turns out. so by 1920, as he's running for president, it's a bit of an embarrassment. it hasn't been an active affair for some queer but there were flaring moments of it and because of that in the end, she is essentially bought off by members of the republican party and oth