. >> carrie severino, i do appreciate your perspective on all of this. i think it's important to get all the different perspectives. i have some people here who i know want to respond as well. thank you so much for joining us i saw you reacting alongside me, kenji, what did you make of that argument she just put forward. >> i was really puzzled by her statement that obergefell is consistent with this because alito during oral argument tried to make that claim but was overridden by gorsuch in this opinion. alito was saying in obergefell kennedy said good and honorable people can disagree about same-sex marriage. we don't have that in the context of interracial marriage in loving versus virginia. gorsuch ice opinion saying the glory of the first amendment is a capacity to deal with speech we hate. i noticed that she pivoted in the number of ways and saying, oh, this doesn't pertain to somebody at a lunch counter. this doesn't pertain to a wedding web designer who doesn't want to do a wedding for a couple that was polygamist or what have you. what about the

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joining me now is carrie severino, president of the judicial crisis network. you for being with us on this. you have called this a great and historic decision. why? >> as the chief justice's majority opinion illustrates as well as the concurrences, that is an opinion that flows from the reasoning in brown v. board of education. it is informed by historic understandings of the constitution as trying to make equality between the races the 14th amendment equal protection clause requires that all races be treated equal, and the decision, as well as the concurrences point out many instances in history where benign racism was invoked and excuses were given as a way that's harmful. the case in which japanese americans were interned and the court is saying we need to get out of racial classificatios all together with respect to education in particular, but obviously this is about the promise of the equal protection clause, so this really applies broadly to the government's treatment of race. >> when president biden says colleges are stronger when they're racially dive

carrie -- severino.rt with president biden who's now calling this, the 6-3 decision on student loans, quote, unthinkable. i'm no legal scholar, but i'm looking through the decision itself, and i'm saying to myself, well, it felt like the court was saying to the administration, no if, your abuse of power is unthinkable. i mean, just your thoughts on all of this. >> yeah. not only is it not unthinkable, it was entirely predictable. then-speaker of the house nancy pelosi said people think the president of the united states has the power of forgiveness, he does not. he does not have that power. nancy pelosi had already told him he didn't have that power. everybody knew he couldn't can unilaterally spend half a trillion to a trillion dollars to forgive student debts. congress could, sure, but you can't unilaterally do it as president, you just don't have that power. so, i'm sorry, president biden, if you're surprised, but you shouldn't be. charles: yeah. it's -- and i know he's not surprised. but here's what

. >> sandra: carrie severino, interesting thoughts from suparna, a mother of two, she says is the right decision on behalf of the supreme court. charles payne joined us last hour, carrie, and if he would passionately about this, and something he's been waiting for a long time, a great day for america. listen. >> i think the decision itself was amazing, great. i've been waiting for a decision like this for at least ten years. because it is the ethos of america. he used the word fairness 2 or 3 times in the press conference. how is it fair to bar students who have worked their ass off to get the best grades out there, sacrifice so many things and no you don't get it because your family had money, the best news for black american, it can be, it can be, because maybe now we will demand strong education for our kids beginning in kindergarten so this kind of thing becomes a moot point. >> sandra: thanks for charles to his reaction on that. and also reaction to this. it appears to be harvard saying we'll find loopholes to the supreme court decision. in their statement following the supreme cou

carrie severino, thank you so much. >> thank you.oming up, what do americans think of trump's second indictmenting? >> they seem a two-tiered justice system. >> they're wasting taxpayers' money. >> i don't think it's a good precedent to set. will: we'll also ask a trumpnves attorney coming up next. hey david. connect with an advisor to create your personalized plan. let's find the right investments for your goals okay, great. j.p. morgan wealth management. lowe's knows you want the best for dad. that's why we're offering great deals on everything you need to take on any project this father's day. shop our father's day deals in-store or online today. >> this whole entire thing is just a ploy to take away from what's really happening in the white house. >> people understand what's happening, you know? they see, they see the two-tiered justice system. >> i don't think it's a good precedent to set. >> they're just wasting taxpayers' money, our money, an unbelievable amount. >> it's all so one-sided, and i don't see coming out of it. >> w

devin west stilln e la and genel counsel of the center for equal opportunity, and carrie severinoe center, president of d former clerk as well as myself to justice thomas. carrie, let's start with you. no justiw, people i talked to wo were at the court today, you you could feel the tension like emanating from justice jackson when. justice thomas very, very. it was a stirring reading, s i understand, from the bench of his concurrence. conc she just was staring blankly ahead, you know, like bla reading, vero whu know, like bla reading, vero what do you make of that? that very person from her at foh least back and forth? >> you reading dissents even from the bench is not common, but reading disse definitely out of out o the ordinary. and i don't think you have pad i don't think you have that. le >> you cannot paint all people of the same race as the justhe same race as the justice thomas and justice jackson clearly opposite sidesce of this issue. despite having the same skin tone. they have very different opinions. and i think judge just illustrates his poinat juslustrg race as a proxy for t

joining me now, carrie severino, president of the judicial crisis network. >> carrie, this is the oldsexlaybook, right? they did it on same marriage. they went to the courtmarriage,p sidestepped the state legislature's regardless of what certain statethlegislat len thought. and they won this ultimately in the courtroomstrooms a across te country all the way to the supreme court. it seems like the same things happening here. yeah ppening h an, and we're about to celebrate the anniversary of the demise of roe versus wade. y of t same thing inventing a newg constitutional right out of out of whole clothconsti and i thoue were out of the business of unelected judges being a de facto medical board. but here now this guy again, nog medical training t is trying to substitute himself for the florida medical board, which haelf fos real concerns at the use of these hormones. >> in not not even everyone, but just minors need we need to look at this of greatin britain, finland, sweden have all gone back to saying actually the paracon evidence is not convincing on this. we need to start pullingan bac

here now is carrie severino, president of the judicial crisis network.isputcarrie, look, it's disappointing for those of us who, you know, rarelyt is with alito, thomas and gorsuch on an issue such as this, thatis amy coney barrett and brad kavanaugh would vote with aps. riserat appointeeh your take here? yeah, no, i think it's no surprise her here.e. . justice thomas clearly had the best argument of the day. he recognized the casee case thl they were deciding was actually completely moot. they should have even had a decisiond theon and t, and yd of went out of their way to decide this, to decide the case. the wroi think that was the wrg route. and it was it's frustrating. it's particularly frustrating whentice, the chief justicen ot and kavanaugh, not just in this case, but in others, doing things that look reallhersrealli political. that said, i think at the endt of the dayene day, even today'se was a lot better than it's being played. i think a lot of people left want to do a victory dance. it's a defeat for trump now, but you have to tie it to trump,