charge of the case and was the primary interrogator or interviewer at the time, his name was carroll cooley. he was then a police detective and stayed with the police department and became a captain. he is alive and well today and still lives here in phoenix. during the course of the interview miranda denied any connection to any of these three cases at the phoenix police department was investigating. he said he was not involved. he didn't abduct anybody, he didn't rape anybody and he didn't rob anybody or kidnap anybody. that was his clear statements of a asked him, detective cooley asked him if he would agree to appear in a lineup and they would bring in one of the big guns or two of the victims. it wasn't quite clear and if he is telling the truth then they won't be able to identify him and they had no other evidence and they were open with him about that. they had no other evidence have they asked him if he would agree to be in the lineup, not a photo lineup but an actual lineup. that also took place here in this building and he agreed and they have a room for that. they found two of th

. >> so that is retired detective carroll cooley from the phoenix police department. teach procedure. so we saw the signed confession. what is it about that that right off the bat led the system to get interested in this prosecution? >> it's almost the perfect test case because this isn't a case where someone was beaten to get a confession. instead, the police came in and used some tricks. they said, look, she has identified you as the one who raped her, you might as well tell us what happened. so it presents the issue of was psychological pressure brought to bear in a way that meant to the confession shouldn't be used. of course, one of the other interesting things that we'll see as the program unfolds tonight is miranda ends up radically changing the rules. in 1963 when this interrogation took place, there wasn't a single precedent in america that would support throwing that kind of a confession out. for 170 years those kinds of statements had been routinely admitted in court, and i think that's when chief justice warren and others started to get interested in this

carroll cooley, the arresting officer in the case of ernesto miranda.nother personal story on the thee, and this is possibly democrat of vermont senator, this senior democrat on the committee, and at the time brenda came around he was in vermont in the states attorney's office. he tells us the story about the miranda decision and its affect. >> at that time it was there a controversial. with a read this guilty accused we have here -- the former attorney general once used the expression "the guilty accused." they said what you mean we have to tell them their rights, i said up worst to do. i said what if you were arrested for something, if you think they have the wrong guy, wouldn't you want to know what your rights are. that sunk in pretty heavily. host: he went on to tell us that he had cards printed up with the miranda rights on them and pass them out to police officer's in the state as is what -- as he was educating them. let me put one on the table, this is wild and wonderful ep west virginia law who says police found a married of tactics bidding bre