david: "bloomberg businessweek" reporter spoke to carroll massar about his cover story. let's listen. >> he was a very smart, very shrewd guy with a great vision. dogged, hardworking. and at the same time a real fun guy. i never met him. but i wish i had. i think he would have been a fun guy to have a beer with. he had many, many interests. and one of them was in making oklahoma city a better place to live and work. and i think many people from oklahoma city would say he succeeded in particular in that vision. carol: what's interesting too, there's a quote in your story or a passage in your story, where he had talked to bloomberg markets magazine and it said, if -- this is aubrey, if i wanted to always do the most popular thing, then i'd be a follower. the funny thing is i don't consider myself a gambler at all. a gambler is somebody who just closes their eyes and roll the dice. we don't do that. he knew what he was doing all along the way. in terms of his career. >> he did and he didn't. he did a lot of buying of land. so he could drill on the land. sometimes he was pre

david: "bloomberg businessweek" reporter spoke to carroll massar about his cover story. let's listen. >> he was a very smart, very shrewd guy with a great vision. dogged, hardworking. and at the same time a real fun guy. i never met him. but i wish i had. i think he would have been a fun guy to have a beer with. he had many, many interests. and one of them was in making oklahoma city a better place to live and work. and i think many people from oklahoma city would say he succeeded in particular in that vision. carol: what's interesting too, there's a quote in your story or a passage in your story, where he had talked to bloomberg markets magazine and it said, if -- this is aubrey, if i wanted to always do the most popular thing, then i'd be a follower. the funny thing is i don't consider myself a gambler at all. a gambler is somebody who just closes their eyes and roll the dice. we don't do that. he knew what he was doing all along the way. in terms of his career. >> he did and he didn't. he did a lot of buying of land. so he could drill on the land. sometimes he was pre

." ♪ carroll: welcome back to "bloomberg businessweek," i'm carol massar.the magazine's opening remarks this week, reporter stephen ferris writes, you're it may sound horrified by the rise of donald trump, but the truth is, he'll be right at home in paris or berlin. after all, europe has given rise to nationalistic politicians such as france's jean marie le pen, and so promoting media personalities. in fact, donald trump and immigrant brand is shared by numerous political parties across the continent from finland to greece to switzerland. in other words, europeans want to remember that old proverb do , not throw stones in glass houses. but will this transmit in will this movement have legs in america? you can read the article about week'ss trump in this "bloomberg businessweek." donald trump stays in the spotlights in this week's politics section. would you believe that trump's political rise is partly thanks to a software design by antiwar activists? the software is called nation builder. i spoke to adam in san francisco. adam: nation builder is a software