>> roger carstens: it's special presidential envoy for hostage affairs.uncates it into speha. >> stahl: the speha office was created in 2015, after an internal review of u.s. hostage policy following the tragic deaths of american journalists and aid workers held captive by isis and complaints from hostage families that the government hadn't been proactive enough. but in the years since, the makeup of roger carsten's cases has changed. i'm kind of surprised that there are many more-- many more hostages being held by governments than by terrorists. >> carstens: i know. that is surprising, isn't it? the-- the majority of our cases are actually what we call wrongful detentions. it's when a nation-state actually is detaining american -- essentially unjustly. >> stahl: that government wants something in return for our citizen. >> carstens: they want to use that person for political leverage. they want to use them as a bargaining chip. >> jason rezaian: it's something that people don't know about, they don't think about very much. >> stahl: "washington post" rep

carsten: that is true.the same time if you look at the last couple of years going back to georgia, ukraine, the standoff over belarus, look at syria, look at mali, it is very clear russia has been reasserting its position. from that perspective it is safe to say that this conversation about the end of history and all of that, that has been over for a while. in a way there has been a meeting between -- the meeting between putin and xi confirms the trend we have been seeing, the cooperation of china on the eastern end and russia on the western end. vis-a-vis the western alliance that is a reality that has been playing up for several years. kailey: interesting insight. carsten nickel of taneo intelligence. we appreciate your time. the u.s. markets have rolled over. we are in negative territory. technology leading the losses. the nasdaq down .4%. the s&p off .2%. a better day to be a small cap company. the russell 2000 is hanging in better. we will continue to monitor the market. this is bloomberg. ♪ kailey: le

overlords just approve. bitcoin is the only known insurance against that threat of photo addison, carsten from the bank men to national settlement. and they see b, d, c's or central bank, digital currencies. they want, you know, the ability just as we were talking about in the last episode where the dollar and the switch system had been weaponized, it was natural as soon as they pulled a ran off the grid that they would start to pull individuals off the money grid and it would the once they could do that once they had the power to pull people that were actual, real bad guys, then they would just start to pull the people they don't like. they don't like joe rogan, they don't like alex stones. they don't like juliana songs, they don't like so they're going to, they'll start to pull more and more people that they don't like. right? this is very possible what the c, b, c government, digital currency, which they can turn on and turn off at a whim. they'll tied to a social credit score of course, and they'll tie it to complete or bands and compliance to haven't been policies even. and there'll