joining us from barclays, carter copeland making the bull case for boeing, and carter worth from oppenheimerng to his sell list last week based on the technicals. i'm going to stare with the bear case, carter worth, why is this a sell? >> sure. it has to do with mechanical glitches. there's always mechanical glitches in a mechanical enterprise. we know a stock in a big ee lib yum, all of '10, '11, '12 range bound which has doubled moving from 60, 70, to 130, 140, the stock has everything in it that lies ahead. it's discounting now the very good backlog, robust sales, et cetera, so forth. it's not so much a question of the day-to-day headline as it is the stock has come a long way. we think it's a case for trimming longs, taking profits, writing calls, doing something. >> carter copeland, you beg to differ. you have $145 price target on the name. lay out the bull case. >> yeah. i mean, it's obvious the stock has come a long way. obviously, the valuations come up. and while they've had these teethes problems on the 787, they've delivered a lot of earnings and even more importantly, a lot of ca