where' carvin? come on right up here. the truth is carvin and i met whitney first in beverly hills. we were -- >> not true. not true. >> it's very true. we were the winans. we were -- i tell people i used to be famous. i'm now cece's brother. and i'm proud to be so. we, the winans, the four brothers, we were signed to william morris and whitney, this young, new star, who i thought sounded a lot like cece when i heard her, but she was also a sign to william morris agency at the time. and we both had the same agent, a man by the name of marshall resnik. he told us, have you heard of whitney houston? i said, yeah, i've heard of her. he said, well, this is her first album. so, when she went on tour, he said, well, she's singing you guys' song. and i said, what song is that? she sings your song "tomorrow." and he should have never told carvin that. cause he was going to stay awake day and night till he got in touch with whitney houston. and i remember going to the hotel in beverly hills and c carvin and i and, you know, we didn't know. he told us where she was staying. probably shouldn't

where carvin? come on up here. the truth is carvin and i met whitney first in beverly hills. we were -- we were a group -- >> that's true. >> that's very true. we were the winans. i tell people i used to be famous i'm now cece's brother. and i'm proud to be so. we, the winans, the four brothers, we were signed to william morris. and whitney, this young new star who i thought sounded a lot like cece when i heard her but she was also a sign to william morris agency at the time. and we both had the same agent, a man by the name of marshall resnick. and so he told us, he said have you heard of whitney houston? i said yeah i heard of her. this was her first album. and so when she went on tour, he said well she's singing you guys' song. and i said what song is that? she sings your song "tomorrow." and he should've never told carvin that. because he was gonna stay wake day and night until he got in touch with whitney houston. and i remember going to the hotel in beverly hills and carvin and i. we didn't know. he told us where she was staying, probably shouldn't have told us. we went

i remember going to the hotel in beverly hills and carvin and i, we didn't know. he told us where she was staying. probably shouldn't have told us. whitney came down. when i looked at her -- oh, lord i'm in trouble. you are going to be my missionary. you are going to sing and you are going to be my missionary. we thanking her for singing her song. i'm asking carbin and we're going to sing a little bit of "tomorrow," and i'm going preach and we're going home. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ know. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ applause ] ♪ ♪ ♪ >> we are happy to recognize pastor michael mcqueen from atlanta, georgia freda, georgia, he was whitney's pastor in alfreda. she was the last minister she heard. we are also happy to have the governor of new jersey here, governor christie who had the flags at half mast in honor of whitney. [ applause ] >> and stood by his decision. [ applause ] >> let's go to the word of the lord. i can assure you that this is not a speech. i'm going to preach. some lawyer called my office to see if i wanted property rights or,

michael carvin is a partner at jonesday. he is the former deputy head of the civil rights division the office of legal counsel in the department of justice. he is the principal lawyer for the private plaintiffs and has been involved in formulating the theory and strategy in the case, has been involved in a massive amount of litigation and is regarded as the best legal thinker in litigation involving the business community and a lot of conservative issues. to my left is neal katyal. he argued most of the cases in the courts of appeals as this question was being litigated against the united states. he is now co-head -- is an international law firm. he is regarded as among -- as he and paul r. of the same generation -- the leading democratic lawyer of his generation. [laughter] akhil amar is professor at yale university both in a law school and in the eda frederick college, with a specialty in both constitutional law and criminal procedure. regarded fairly as one of the five most distinguished legal thinkers in america today, a

actually think he will be very interesting race because they are there more ideologically and i really carvin to the mechanics of the great detail which if you are a policy wonk is good choice. >> host: we are talking about politics. if you haven't seen it yet, roseanne barr, just a comedian and the political story has announced her candidacy for president in the green party. the green party nominee will be selected at the convention in baltimore in july. next up is -- [laughter] >> guest: you've got to admit you have to love american politics because if anything it is entertaining. >> host: los angeles, tom independent for david. >> caller: good morning. representative, a realtor and in addition to that i've been able reader for the california association of realtors. i'm also an expert witness certified by the superior court. one of the things the people in washington don't seem to tell people is when a bank and gives a loan, that loan is structured to be resold. structured to to be resold to fannie mae or freddie mac. they are the ones that set the criteria. if there is a deficiency that i