cary bishop is knowledgeable. the way to do that is not to have a big bang. it is the pilots. that is the approach we are taking as we impliment electronic plan review. how can we try small pieces, not having a big bang. those comments are very well-taken. >> commissioner lee, please. >> going 100% electronic plan review is very exciting. i have been on the commission over 10 years. when i first started i had discussions with constituents and colleagues in moving towards 100% paperless applications and permit applications, but my question -- i have two questions. first question pertains to over-the-counter permit applications. as you mentioned we have 65,000 over-the-counter walk ins every day. how do you envision that happening with electronic plan review? do you expect people to come with a thumb drive or what do you expect people to do? >> i will say in a month or two i will have more details for you. i am happy to provide those to director hughie to report back. we are thinking that through with your department and digital services right now. i can tell you and this gets t