much like the casey anthony case this has become a dramatic saga. and today upon the announcement that a verdict had been reached, hundreds of people have descended upon this courthouse. my colleague is standing by amongst many of those who come down to await this verdict. many you can see behind him. many he has been able to speak with. it is remarkable but at the same time they've followed it for a long time and likely want to be part of the final resolution, ted. >> reporter: yeah. they're hooked. no doubt about it. you take a look out here and you can see all of the people here, yes, there are a lot of cameras here as well because of the interest in this case. it has been televised live throughout. people have watched it at home, on their computers, at work. one of the people that has been here pretty much the entire time in the courtroom is michael -- you broke down and started crying. why are you so emotional? >> it's been a long -- i've been here for four months and i just want to see it over for the family. this is a first-degree verdict, li

rather like the casey anthony case last year. in terms of where we are legally, is the understanding that effectively the prosecution has to prove that there was

it's a far cry from the scene i witnessed when i was covering casey anthony.those persons were very disappointed when the jury did not go the way they thought they would in casey anthony's case. but in this one, it looks like everybody's pretty satisfied. i've been told from inside the courthouse that jodi arias family was crying. the mother in particular. that travis alexander's sisters were crying and hugging one another and hugging one of travis alexander's former girlfriends, deanna. a very emotional scene inside that courthouse. even jodi arias herself, we saw her sobbing throughout the trial. we saw real tears from her today as that verdict was read. >> you say you saw tears. because we were watching and it didn't seem that obvious that she was crying. >> reporter: from what i could tell, it looked like she was crying. but we've seen this many, many times over four months. only jodi arias could tell you whether those tears are true. >> yeah, of course. justice served in this case, rikki? >> yes. without any doubt. i do think the difference with casey ant

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in a moment we'll get some analysis from casey anthony's former attorney.ut first, let's go back to abc's john schriffen who has more on his exclusive interview. >> reporter: good morning, again. lot of talk about the testimony of her on the stand, jodi arias, there for 18 consecutive days, did she help or hurt her case? well, you might be surprised at one of the jurors had to say. >> lot of people think that she didn't think she was good on the stand. if you looked at the exchanges between her and the prosecutor, it could have been repeated five times. she would circle the wagon. jodi was very deliberate in her answers. >> even though kevin thought that her performance was brilliant, he said that her story finally fell apart after she contradicted herself. dan, we have to remember they haven't been able to see any of this coverage for the past five months. >> so interesting. after five months in seclusion to finally hear them speak. >>> let's bring in jose baez, who you may remember was casey anthony's attorney. thank you for coming in this morning. what d

there was a very different prosecution case in casey anthony's trial. there was a giant gap and it was a gap that jurors told me directly was too big to leap. i don't know that there is that kind of gap that exists in the case against jodi arias, it is very comprehensive. there is extraordinary evidence and we have an accused woman who admits to lying over and over again. similar to casey anthony, but then again, very, very different in terms of what her story ended up being at trial. there is another massive story that is also under way in cleveland, ohio, right now. my colleague brooke baldwin is standing by at the home of gina dejesus, who may have heard triumphant return. and, brooke, i was listening to your live reporting as gina made her way out of that vehicle and into that house and you said you got goosebumps. i'm here to tell you, that thousands of miles away, not only did i, but the people i'm working with here on this set, we all gathered around our monitors watching that moment as well. i think the entire country is behind that family and t

trial where evidence was brought in of what the trunk of k casey anthony smelled like. they captured the essence of a tube and preserved it for over a year or two and wanted to open the tube for the jurors to smell. it was called smell evidence. there was a fry hearing on that as well. is that sort of equate? >> absolutely. that's an even better example. any time you have a novel area, the smell evidence, although we are all familiar with smells, reducing smells to a science is something totally different. that's exactly what came up in casey anthony. whether it was an accepted area of science. not whether or not you're an expert on smells. we all arguably are an expert on smells. but whether smell science is a legitimate science. it's a similar motion. it's important to note the prosecution in zimmerman said this is about voice identification and this has been an accepted science. but the defense is saying, no, not quite. this expert is talking about -- and you have to read this report of their proposed expert. the sounds that he heard and the voices he heard sounded l

>> it harkens back to casey anthony, scott peterson. know, we're so fascinated -- it's the issue like abortion or terry schiavo, life and death, that makes a big case. if there's a celebrity, even b list. >> neil: michael jackson. >> big celebrity. but if you've got facts like this where you have two attractive young people in this bizarre sexual relationship, and you've got horrific facts that come out more and more, we're drawn. it's a soap opera. we're drawn to what's going to happen. you lay that on top of that, the whole legal system and process and with the jurors asking questions, there are only three states that allow that. that's fascinating for all of us. >> neil: it's interesting to me, i know you lawyers always follow this so closely, but when the victim never gets a chance to state his perspective, we're so used to women being abused and we never hear from the other side. in this case a lot of horrific things have been said about travis and his friends have talked in his defense. he never had a hint of violence. but his nam

. >> but casey anthony was more than one juror. the jury said, there is not enough efd evidence to convict. the prosecution did not make their case. what do you think, ricky? >> i think karen is right. in terms of what we have all seen is quality of evidence with premeditated. however, if any juror bonded with this woman. she is a real person to them now. they watched her months after months. 18 days on the witness stand. if they don't want to do the ultimate decision of life or death, which by the way means they are going to have to come back and go deliberate on that issue. that they may just decide a lesser included offense of second degree or even manslaughter is a way to put this to rest. >> let's talk about that ricky. one of the things about our criminal justice system is that it is not the killing, that actually gets you in trouble. it is the mental state you have that result in a killing that could be considered a serious murder, first or second degree murder. when have you a mitigation defense like this, that is bound up

they are channeling casey anthony here, which is in casey anthony, there was no lesser included.e, there are. i think it's very smart for the prosecution. >> jamie: lessons learned, doug. chances are... the self defense claim will stand up or not? >> well, yeah. let me go back. you had casey anthony and the boston nanny case, where the prosecutors refused to go tie lesser charge and lost everything. they they are hedging their bet. look, self defense, there are only three entities that know what happened -- jodi arias, the victim who is deceased and the man upstairs. so normally, you could make a self-defense claim. but since she lied a bunch of times, it's very difficult -- >> jamie: it's more than a bunch. she tried to cover things up after it happened. >> three times. she said i wasn't there, i wasn't in the state. then she said i was this, but fwo masked men came in and that's not true. third time, she said it's self-defense. self-defense doesn't work that way. when you are a battered woman, self-defense, that kind of defense, you come out and you say it. there was no evidenc

this is something we saw in the casey anthony case.t's something we saw in the casey anthony case where the judge even asked for a cooling-off period for the media who wanted to interview jurors and sealed the names and ultimately opened up the names. i was making a point before, it's 99 degrees here and that might have been why we went to grace snow live on the air. i was making the point that lest those who think how could those jurors not render a death verdict, 15 years ago, terry nichols went on trial twice, two times, not only for the deaths of the federal agents in the oklahoma city bombing, a murder trial, a death penalty case at a federal level, in which jurors were hung on the death penalty and then on the state level, the state took another crack at that apple and took him to a death penalty trial for the 160 dead civilians and the jury hung on the death question. so it happens for the worst of the worst and it happened for jodi arias. >> let me ask you about this. ashleigh just had significant news here. mark geragos was sa

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>>brian: casey anthony's attorney says he and casey are concerned about this and disgusted by the judge'st facing it off the court with his own mommy. she's trying to sell his high school memorabilia. kobe trying to block the sale saying she doesn't have the right to sell his trophies, his old uniforms. she said you gave them to me and told me to keep them. when i tried to give them to his ex-wife. she said you hold on to him. the case hits the court on thursday. the hard part is he's already spent half the money. steve? >>steve: a new report from the heritage foundation saying legalizing immigration is going to cost the country trillions and trillions of dollars. >>gretchen: stuart varney, host of varney and company on the fox business network, here to break it down. the big number is $6 trillion. >> $6.3 trillion. you cannot dismiss heritage as a fringe group. they are very much mainstream. you cannot dismiss that number because it is going to be dropped into the middle of the immigration debate. it is going to have impact. basically here's what heritage is saying. if you have mass immi

in the casey anthony case, $350,000 to sequester the jury during the trial. talking about feeding, housing, transporting, securing the jury. very expensive. and i don't know that's always the best thing to do. and in florida, clearly, there is precedent because of the casey anthony trial. not so sure that it's always the best option for jurors if this is a long trial, carol, can you imagine being away from your families, your home, your friends for that long. that could be very difficult for a jury, and sometimes people think it leads to this group think that is not necessarily what the jury system should be about. >> got it. sunny hostin, we'll check back when a decision is made. thanks so much. >>> new york home to the nation's tallest building once again, the final pieces are bolted into place at 1 world trade center. i i had pain in my abdomen...g. it just wouldn't go away. i was spotting, but i had already gone through menopause. these symptoms may be nothing... but they could be early warning signs of a gynecologic cancer, such as cervical, ovarian, or

perspective on the possibility of any jury in this case, given what florida went through with casey anthonyven what we seen in arizona with jodi arias, sequestering another jury, do you think that's a possibility in the upcoming case? >> you know, i think a lot of times sequestering the jury comes down and judge hatchet will agree, it comes down to moevenlt you have to provide housing, transportation, food, entertainment, that sort of thing. so i actually think it's going to be very difficult. we know in florida that was a huge consideration in the casey antony trial. the judge, in particular, i spoke to him about this. that's certainly a consideration. so i'm not sure that this jury will be sequestered. i do, however, ashleigh, think it should be sequestered given the amount of media attention this case will get. >> i certainly agree with that. it's hard to hear that only because jurors work so hard. they give so much in niece big cases th -- much in these big cases. it's tough to distress their families. nice to see you enjoying your memorial day weekend. well deserved. >>> we will take y

both of those people are suing casey anthony.their tracks after casey went ahead and filed for bankruptcy. today the orlando sentinel says they will hear arguments on how those two lawsuits should proceed. that's supposed to get started at about 3:00 eastern time. [ music playing ] >>> almost a year after a gunman fired off a volley of bullets inside a crowded movie theatre in colorado, the accused killer, who claims he was insane, now has a problem with the rules that govern how you are allowed to claim are you you are insane in that case. he does not like that he has to appear to scientists and answer their questions. he says that interferes with his fifth amendment. he wants to plead insanity, he doesn't want to be questioned. the only way to get a conviction is to prove he is not insane. i know this is insane, joining us to sort it out is christine grillo in king's county, better known as brooklyn in new york. lisa bloom is here as well, legal analyst for avo.com. christine, are you a prosecutor. in. co the burden is on you t

. >>> the judge in the casey anthony case is talking to the media for the first time since that trialon the "today" show, the judge told how he saw two sideses of casey anthony, one when the jury was present and another more commanding side when just her -- with just her lawyers. he recounted one morning in particular. >> i will never forget that day, one saturday morning before we were about to begin our session, the lawyers wanted some time to discuss a possible plea to aggravated manslaughter with casey. they went back in the holding cell and of course the waiting area for me was by the holding cell. and all of a sudden, you heard shouting coming from the holding cell. some four-letter words coming from the holding cell. and she was quite upset. so upset that one counselor suggested she was incompetent to proceed. >> judge perry says he was surprised at the verdict. he says anthony will have to live with this for the rest of her life. >>> from her fight against a new trial to her new book, cnn's chris cuomo asks the question, can amanda knox convince you she has never killed anyone

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rather like the casey anthony case last year. in terms of where we are legally, is the understanding that effectively the prosecution has to prove that there was premeditateded cruelty. that she set out to deliberately inflict physical and mental cruelty on her victim and if they can satisfy that with the jury, then the death penalty comes into play. >> right. it appears arizona has a very unusual death penalty statute. and the penalty phase has two parts. the first part, which will start tomorrow, deals only with one aggravating factor as it's called. is this murder unusually cruel. and the first witness will be the medical examiner who will talk about the 27 stab wounds. the slit throat. the gun shot to the head. that's the first part. if the jury finds unanimously, as frankly, i think most people expect they will, that it's unusually cruel, then they will go to a more traditional penalty phase, where both sides will get to make the case about whether jodi arias should live or die. and there, i think, it's much less predictable

covering trial after trial after trial and many high profile and many bringing out big crowds, casey anthonyou watched both those, can you compare what you saw here? >> there are similarities, the crowds, the cheers, the applause when justice is met or the jeers when justice has not been met like with casey anthony. let me tell you what separates this trial from any other is the wounds, the injuries, the stabbings, the mutilation of a human body, that is unequalled. >> well, and that's about to come out today in this beginning of the sentencing phase. jean, excellent work. you're a great lawyer and a great reporter and appreciate the work you've done. exhaustive work really that you've been there since the beginning four and a half months of this. and it's not over yet. thank you, very much, for watching us on this edition of "cnn newsroom." please stay tuned, "around the world" is coming up after this quick break. i'm ashleigh banfield reporting live. ♪ (annoucer) new beneful medley's, in tuscan, romana, and mediterranean style varieties. ♪ just mix it in, and take play to new places. three

. >> jose baez, who obviously defended casey anthony, is now joining me also by phone. jose, she gave interviews right after she was found guilty. she said she wanted to die, then she changed her mind or at least publicly seemed to change her mind. did it surprise you that she keeps giving interviews and do you think that had an impact on the jury? >> i certainly hope it didn't have an impact on the jury, because they should have been following their instructions and not watching any coverage on the case, including her interviews. now, having said all of that, i think all of this is much ado about nothing. the smartest thing for this prosecutor to do now is take death off the table rather than go through this again, especially considering the fact that this penalty phase has serious appellate issues. there's a new problem that we have now and that's social media and the way these trials are being covered, we had this very same problem in casey anthony, where we couldn't get mitigation witnesses because they were afraid of the online intimidation as well as the intimidat

. >>> and an exclusive, the judge in the casey anthony case is speaking out for the first time since the controversial verdict. >>> now, keep it on this channel for continuing local news, weather, sports and more. i'm richard lui along with bill karins. thanks for watching "early today," just your first stop of the day today on your nbc station. . . >> what was supposed to be a joyous celebration turned tragic. members of a bridal party caught in a deadly limousine fire. we will hear from the driver. >>> police out in force in downtown san jose frying to keep cinco de mayo celebrations from boiling over >>> what said to be an israeli rocket hitting syria. what capital lawmakers pushing the president to do. >> right now, we will push our cameras outside for a live look spanning over san francisco. quite the way to start the week. it is monday, may 6th. this is "today in the bay."

but as we have seen from a lot of cases like we thought, like casey anthony for instance, we thoughte would be a verdict not in her favor there. all you need is one juror to believe maybe she was under some type of infloueinfluence. there is a lot of lesser included defenses. so that's one reason, tamron, it might be taking so long. because there is manslaughter, second degree, a lot of things for them to mull over and go over. >> to your point, the jury will consider or did consider first and second degree murder or manslaughter against arias in this case. and in closing arguments, karen, her attorney, jodi arias's attorneys, admitted that sometimes he doesn't like her. which is a strange thing to say. but he went on to explain just because you may see her as a person that is not likeable or certain things in her personal life that she participated in, were not necessarily things you would find appealing, that that does not mean that she murdered this man and that she is just a vicious killer. >> it is very hard in a case like this tamron, especially when the jurors were able to ask

i'm thinking of examples like casey anthony, o.j. simpson. and, yet, juries did not return that verdict. did this surprise you today that it was so clear cut? >> no. this was such an overwhelming case. when you look at the magnitude of the injuries, when you look at jodi arias's conduct, undisputed conduct before these acts of premeditation, after all the lies, plus the brutality of the crime, i think any verdict other than a conviction for first-degree murder would have been a big surprise. >> all right. thank you both very many. it just -- so important to hear ash leigh go through this. jeff said wasn't surprised. yet this trial went on months and months. and it did captivate the nation and viewers around the world. there were 38 witnesses including arias herself who spent an incredible 18 days on the stand in her own defense. i want to bring in criminal defense attorney mark geragos and wendy murphy to take a look at what exactly happened in this case. you know, taking the stand for 18 days, i guess the big question is, mark, was this a mi

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andrea: all they have to do is a little bit of doubt and jurors' minds which ask what they did with casey anthonyies. i think it's too late for the tears. >> bob: i think it says something about the viewers. they are pulling so many people watching it. >> andrea: it reads better than a reality shows, sex, lies, nude photos. >> bob: and they dressed her up. one more thing, that was a plea by our producer. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> time for one more thing. i'll go first. programming note tonight on kim betterly guilfoyle involved in an important special called "see no evil." the kermit gosnell trial. >> he was inducing labor and he was having these women deliver babies and deliver fetuses. >> something that's important to understand the means by which these babies' lives were taken wasn't traditional abortion. they were drugged up and once the baby left the mother's body, taking its first breath, at that point that's how this doctor elected to kill these babies. >> 9:00 p.m. fnc. andre? >> president obama, would not comment on that trial, though he'll comment on a bunch of other things, like trayvon. he also said y

casey anthony walked.encing her in the last few weeks, like this one is going to get it there's justice this time around as if there's a continuum from one case to the other. >> why do you think these cases with women are so high profile? >> i think there's a voiryeuristic nature to it. casey anthony was a mother. also there's a lot of conversation going on between social media and other coverage. >> why does she want the death penalty? >> she believes death is the ultimate freedom and she'd rather have the ultimate freedom than be held captive. if she gets the death penalty, that will give her a whole set of privileges she would not have access to in the regular prison system. >> all right. thank you very much. >>> and three state department employees are telling congress their version of the attack on the u.s. mission in benghazi libya. the attack killed four people including ambassador chris stevens. eric nordstrom offered an emotional thank you to the house oversight committee. >> specifically the comm

andrea: all they have to do is a little bit of doubt and jurors' minds which ask what they did with casey anthonylate for the tears. >> bob: i think it says something about the viewers. they are pulling so many people watching it. >> andrea: it reads better than a reality shows, sex, lies, nude photos. >> bob: and they dressed her up. one more thing, that was a plea by our producer. ♪ ♪ ♪ this is america. we don't let frequent heartburn come between us and what we love. so if you're one of them people who gets heartburn and then treats day afr day... block the acid with prilosec otc and don't get heartburn in the first place! [ male announcer ] e pill eachmorning. 24 hours. zero heartbur the wright brothers became the first in flight. [ goodall ] i think the most amazing thing is how like us these chimpanzees are. [ laughing ] [ woman ] can you hear me? and you hear your voice? oh, it's exciting! [ man ] touchdown confirmed. we're safe on mars. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ hi. [ baby fussing ] ♪ ♪ ♪ >> time for one more thing. i'll go first. programming note tonight on kim betterly guilfoyle involve

by the way, casey anthony, she administered chloroform to the kid, she accidentally died.ncounter, loses her head. >> i think the jury is going to come down to second degree, but the prosecution, i think, did a great job of showing premeditation. there was a gun missing from the grandparents, the same gun that was used -- all these things. and she conveniently forgets all that happened, to we that's all premeditation, so they could find first degree. jon: they never found the gun, but it was the same caliber of weapon that was missing from the grander parents' house. -- grandparent's house. that all smacks of premeddation, the gas can -- >> well, i'll give you a better one. this man was abusive to me all these months. why'd you go over there? >> right. why'd you follow him? >> that's my first argument, jon. but the thing is, lis and i have also discussed, it's so interesting because when you're in a trial, you face two completely different reactions from jurors. the one reaction is, look, you know, she completely lost it, etc., somewhat sympathetic. the other one is, man,

simpson, robert blake, casey anthony, the defense swore up and down that they would never get a fairere could be an acquittal. guess what, there was. i guarantee you there are 12 good souls out there that have not paid one bit of attention to the jodi arias case. they're at work all day. they come home, and they put the children to bed. they don't want to know about jodi arias and all her shenanigans. i guarantee you they can find another jury, a jury that will reach a unanimous verdict. >> and do you think that's what will happen if they're actually at a final impasse? do you think judge sherry stevens will do that instead of work towards a plea deal where we end this all now? >> well, i don't know what the point is after since december trying to, quote, end it all now. oh, no, no, no. and it is not up to the judge to end anything. if the state wants to offer a guilty plea, that's their business. the judge cannot coerce a plea. can't do that. it is not her position to do that. >> she has to accept it though, right. >> the state has to offer a plea and then accept. i would not give a

unlike other murder cases we've seen recently, like jodi arias or casey anthony, only portions of this televiset. stephanie elam, los angeles. >>> leila fowler's 12-year-old brother will be in court today for the stabbing death of his sister. the 8-year-old girl was found dead in their california home late last month. releasing the 911 recording from the scene. when the stepmother made the call, she never mentioned leila had been attacked. >> my children are home alone, and a man just ran out of my house. my daughter was in the bathroom, and my son started screaming. >> the man was gone though? is >> i just got here right now. >> how old are your kids? >> 12 and 9. >> the fowler family has hired a defense team to represent their son. he will be tried as a juvenile on second degree murder charges. >>> russia is calling the arrest of a u.s. diplomat in moscow a cold war provocation. the russian security agency fsb says u.s. embassy employee ryan christopher fogel tried to recruit a russian intelligence officer. he was caught red handed with a wig, recording devices, and what appeared to

simpson or casey anthony that did not end this way. there any document in your mind that this ever could have gone another way? a lesser charge, for example? >> no. but i have 25 years of experience in the business. which means -- and i prosecuted homicide cases. i've seen seemingly nice people who look good on the outside, dastardly on the inside. i think the thing she had going for her is that she doesn't look like a monster and she's cute for me, that wasn't worth anything, the objective evidence was overwhelmingly, let me say this about her comment on the death penalty. if the jury is going to hear anything about that is going to take that as more manipulation. why she fancies herself a philosopher king, death is freedom. this woman zbt learn. she ruined her case when she testified and lied to the jury. now she's probably guaranteeing herself a death penalty result because she's continuing to be manipulative and jurors don't like that. they don't like her. they will spare her life if they find something redeeming about her, if they

. >> i'm going to say guilty, but guess what, casey anthony everybody thought she was guilty too. got off. cenk: she might be guilty, but she got off. i don't know, i really don't know. andrew? >> guilty. guilty she's up for the death penalty, i'm opposed to that, too, it's hard to reconcile. >> they're trying this case, the reason she testified, you can find her guilty and still not have the death penalty imposed you can get the decision. cenk: who makes the decision? >> the jury. cenk: we have something to root for, guilty, but life sentence. we spent $1.4 million for public defense of jodi arias. that kind of burns me up. was there no way around that? why was it so expensive? >> in a death penalty case, she's going to get any sort of experts that she wanted. cenk: thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. we're going to talk about climate change. we've got extreme weather snowing in places, wildfires in the west. what's really interesting about it is that the american people seem to have made up their mind on whether it's global warming or no the. we'll tell you what they thi

i don't have to remind anyone, you were casey anthony's tomorrow. there is massive fascination on o.j. simpson, maybe not why he is serving or why he may get a few trial, for what he might say. he never took the stand in his criminal case. he didn't take the stand in his second criminal case, the one that brings us to today. does it matter, jose baez what he says today before a judge or is this really what the public wants to hear? >> well, one, it really doesn't matter what he says. i don't think that this is going to be a successful appeal. and that's because this is really your run of the mill, i had a bad lawyer appeal. however, if there is some type of support to what his testimony is, then i think he's got a shot. but right now, it doesn't appear that and right now, the most important one was, was that plea offer conveyed? unless there is something in writing, it's yale galanter's word against o.j.'s, the issue of him not testifying, there was a colloquy by the judge. the conflict of interest is kind of weak as well. because, you know, can i a

> and linda, why are we so obsessed with the case, because america certainly is as it was with casey anthonyand is there something particularly fascinating about the two women that drives this extraordinary interest, really, because there are many cases that are not dissimilar to them? >> i cannot understand for a minute why we are obsessed with this case, because it has taken too long to try and in some cases in this country where there is an intimate tragedy, and the judge has lost control of it, and there is no reason that it has had the attention it should. >> alan, dershowitz, is it television, and for example, we don't have television in courtrooms, and so these kinds of cases don't get the attention perhaps they do in america where you can watch them almost like a soap opera. >> right. we have all gotten to know the woman testify ad nauseam and you cannot turn on the television to watch her testify, and she has talked to us, and insulted our intelligence and we are routing for outcomes in the case, but how attractive people are and how attractive their victims are plays an important r

or casey anthony you're right. it's entirely unpredictable what a jury is going to do. even when you think you can read their faces in a courtroom, trust me. sonny also has experience as a prosecutor. i want you to as a journalist but on your prosecutor hat in the back of your head and tell me what you think is the most compelling aspect of what the prosecutors did over the last few months. >> all in all what's so compelling about this case is that she lied first off and said, oh, i had no involvement in this and then her story evolved to actually some other people came in and did it while i was there and finally i did it but i was an abused woman. i'm suffering from domestic violence. that's really powerful to a jury. i think the jury thinks she lied, she lied, she lied to law enforcement authorities who is to say she doesn't lie to us. even though she was on the witness stand for so long, that changing stories over and over and over again could be very, very helpful to this prosecution. the bottom line is -- and i have been struggling with this -- she admitted to doin

the most talked about trial since casey anthony is now less than six weeks away. >> reporting from sanford. once the trial begins his attorneys may ask for a stand your ground hearing. a jury would have the final say, not just a single judge. zimmerman by the way has gained 110 pound since that shooting. >>> it was an a emotional day for michael jackson's mother leaving los angeles courtroom in tears against the wrongful death suit against aeg. a paramedic testified when he arrived at jackson's home the day he died the singer looked like someone who was at the end stage of a very long disease. the los angeles detective told jurors that dr. conrad murray may have been motivated by money. >>> a week away from a special congressional election in south carolina, and republican candidate mark sanford find himself pictured on a controversial billboard. an ad for a website that arranges extra marital affairs. sanford's face featured, he had an affair with a woman in argentina who he is engaged with. he is not commenting on the billboard. >>> the race for john kerry's senate seat is set in massach

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remember with the casey anthony case, the vi trael that that jury received.in the zimmerman case, the same state. the last thing you want is for jurors to be concerned about how the public will receive their verdict. so i think it is really in a case like this where there are so many hot button issues atash e tached to it, it would be really helpful for this jury to remain anonymous, to maintain their anonymity. and i think that the judge will do that for this jury. >> interesting. and, joey, quickly to you. i'm short on time. quick as you can for me, please, the wife of mr. zimmerman, shellie, does she have any fifth amendment protection? does she have to answer prosecutors pretrial? >> not at all. this is a thorn ear issue briefly ashleigh. certainly you might recall she's under a criminal case herself. what happened? she was charged with perjury. so to that extent she has a fifth amendment right not to say anything. and also there's a spousal privilege in florida and other states across the country which allows a spouse of a defendant to say not a word. >>

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try casey anthony-caliber champion liar. listen to this. >> were you at travis' house on wednesday? i was nowhere near mesa. i wasn't even close to him. >> what if i could show you proof you were there? would that change your mind? >> i was not at travis' house. was not. >> you were at travis' house. you guys had a sexual encounter, which -- there's pictures. and i know you know there's pictures, because i have them. >> she's very masterful at sounds very, very believable. and very innocent. >> if travis were here today, he would tell you that it wasn't me. >> she seems very genuine in what she's saying. and we know now it's a lie. >> i would never hurt travis. >> you did. >> i'm not guilty. i didn't hurt travis. if i hurt travis, if i killed travis, i would beg for the death penalty. >> reporter: getting nowhere, the detective shifts gears and hits jodi with the evidence. >> that's you. i wanted to cover you up because that's you -- all of you. >> oh, that looks like me. >> but this one i don't know if i should show you, but it's just one of the photos that was taken by accident. i

he represented casey anthony in her murder trial for the death of her daughter.ely acquitted. criminal defense attorney jose hay baez joins me now from miami. great to have you with me. what do you think arias' defense team was thinking as we look back. she had just been found guilty of first-degree murder and then she's giving a local tv interview moments later let alone being allowed to make those statements about preferring the death penalty because it would give her freedom. >> i can guarantee you that they had no knowledge she would do such a thing. i think it was a slap in the face to her defense and who probably put their live on hold for the last couple of years to defend her and to save her life and she may have just sealed her fate by giving that interview. >> is this a psychological tactic by arias? basically to put this out there and as we noticed after the reading of the verdict, she stared at every juror as they left trying to make eye contact with them. does this help the court and jurors steer away from the death penalty and think more compassiona

you know, ainsley, you want to talk about jodi arias, you want to talk about casey anthony, you want about all of these people that have been in the headlines, o.j. simpson, even. those are evil acts that took place in a relatively small window of time. these evil acts took place over days, weeks, years, a decade! this guy is a guy who deserves to be put in a little box by himself and just not leave. i mean, by the supreme court ruling, you can't have cruel and unusual punishment, so he's got to be able to see the sun, although he didn't allow those girls to see the sun, barely. so, you know, he's going to face multiple life terms of incarcerati incarceration. you've got to think that the inmates are going to give him a very warm welcome. >> i'm sure. >> when he gets there and continue his warm welcome while he's there. so, i hope this case gets ripped -- gets out of the headlines as soon as possible. i hope these young women get their privacies preserved and they get to move on with their lives. >> his own mother saying he's sick. there's something wrong obviously. >> anyone who com

they had to go through the casey anthony trial. in that case the they'll probably find a jury in this case as well. people who think that even though they have been exposed to it, they can make a good decision. >> david mattingly, thank you very much. going to be covering that trial. >>> and now to an "outfront" update on amy copeland. she's the 25-year-old georgia graduate student whose recovery we've been following now for a year. amy lost both hands, both feet and her left leg after contracting a deadly flesh eating bacteria last may. she was on the zip line with her friends, had an accident and after that accident doctors gave her a 1% chance of survival. but amy has beaten every single odd. i spoke to her earlier this week. after, well, talking about how great she looked, i asked her how she's doing. >> thank you so much. i feel awesome. i'm sitting here at my house with my new buy onic hands which just allow me to do so much more. so i'm feeling more independent and better than ever. >> those hands are amazing. it looks as if

i hate to refer back to that other parallel case if you will of casey anthony. but there were explanation that's the defense came up with for the reasons why this person is such a liar. is there something in her character that went terribly wrong in her childhood that the defense can bring to bear. it is very important that the defense not retry the case they've already tried before the jury. then you lose credibility. you have to bring new witnesses forward. her family may testify. in fact she can testify in mitigation. it has to be new evidence about her character and about her state of mind in mitigation. not about the underlying facts in the case. >> and dr. weiner, to that point help us understand the potential sigh could go of the jurors. if they wanted to save her, they could have found her guilty of second-degree murder yesterday. do you have they've already made up their minds in. >> i don't know if we can say in total they've made up their minlds. there are two parts. you have the first part where they're trying to define whether she commit first-degre