casey dc casey hunt. "new york times" bureau chief. professor of international politics test fletcher cool of law and diplomacy. dranl o daniel dress in her msnbc contributor. >> did sean hannity settle his case for seth riches's dras are kwas for destroying their lives. >> well check. >> the attacks on the media by some in the media, in the wake of the attorney general releasing a summary of the report. wasn't limited to fox. "the new york times" said we have made fools of ourselves again. the political media especially on tv now a testimony polite it can apply whenever a scandal looms to hook viewers into the speculative story line they assume maximum guilt. imaginative pundit it's connect dots to speculations of guilt. i hear the indictments are coming down next we can they whisper to one another process members of the accused party attack others. they get to enjoy a sense of spiritual superiority when it turns out the scandal is smaller than it appears which is almost always the case. it's a wonderful game georgia. blah, blah, blah. i can't believe you're making me read all of this. >> "the new york times" notes, of roehling stone called the apparent lack of new charges resulting from the mueller report, quote, a death blow for the reputation of the american news media. comparing the ee roenz reporting on weapons of mass destruction in the reason yup up to the iraq war. >> really, matt? really, david? really? fox news? what were you -- what would you have the media do? as first reported by our own david ignatius, national security michael flynn lied to federal agents about discussing election related sanctions with the russian ambassador. the same person who attorney general jeff sessions met with during the campaign. meeting sessions didn't reveal the judiciary committee when he voluntarily said he met with the russians. but he lied about that, just like the national security adviser lied about that. just rick vice president mike pence lied about that when he stated unequivocally that the trump campaign had no contacts with the russians. echos the official lynn that came from top trump aide hope hicks after the election. she lied about. and repeated by donald trump himself in the white house, lying about that. >> and i have no dealing with russia. i have no deals in russia. i have no deals that could happen in russia because we have stayed away. >> i have nothing to do with russia. to the best of my knowledge no person that i deal with -- >> you know, we knew those were allies because of the testimony of michael cohen. and a letter of intent to develop a tower in moscow that trumped signed in october of 2015. remember, he told us throughout the 2016 campaign he had nothing to do with russia. it was a lie and i'm just wondering at this point, should we have started following, like, seth rich stories? should we do investigations on something else? no. no. bus actually when everybody around the president was lying about contacts with one of our foreign adversaries. >> that's a news story. >> that's a "new york times" job. david, that's rolling stone's jab ejob. matt and sean, i know it's not your job. >> definitely not his. >> definitely not your job. >> just. >> your job is to make up stories about seth rich. >> skip over that one. >> jared kushner had hundreds of errors and omissions on his security clearance form. leaving off contacts with who? the frefrm? no, the russians. including a campaign meeting with donald trump junior which president trump later worked to cover up. you remember that? do you remember donald trump on air force one calling everybody together and concocting a lie to send to "the new york times"? what was he lying about? contact with russians and trump tower because any believed -- and don junior said, i love it -- that they were going to get dirt on hillary clinton. i'm not even bringing up all the criminal indictments of the campaign chairman paul manafort. i'm not even bringing up the indictments of long-term deputy rick gates or the indictments of foreign policy adviser george papadopoulos. >> i had to say his name it's been so long. who lied to investigators seeking information about what? the french? no. the russians. russi russian interference time and time and again. i'm just curious, what was the media supposed to do when donald trump lied about meeting with russians? the vice president lied about campaign meetings with russia? the attorney general lied about meetings with russians? jared kushner lied about meeting with russians. george papadopoulos lied about meeting with russians. i could go on and on. but i won't. i'll just say the media did a pretty damn good job. >> the media did its job. >> and i understand, donald you're writing your enemy list process, telling people who they can and can't now you tweet again, enemy of the people? is that anything like the witch hunt? how many times did you bring up the witch hunt? and now suddenly robert mueller, he is a good and honorable man. >> until you see his report maybe. >> then you will see his report. >> listen we haven't seen the report. >> he will be a witch again. >> lites not exonerate. >> let's remind everybody there were 27 indictments in the witch hunt, almost 200 charges in this witch hunt. we had the president's own director of homeland security say vladimir putin was trying to influence our election and undermine our democracy in 2016. we had the cia director saying it. we had the director of national intelligence saying the same thing. we had everyone saying the same thing. so you all can, you know, do whatever you do. but i can tell you "the new york times," the "washington post", the "wall street journal," newspapers also, yes, david brooks, even people on tv are going to keep doing their job and going to keep following the story. and now to defend the media for the next hour et cetera let's bring in elizabeth. you know mistakes are sometimes made by "the new york times" by the "washington post" by this show. i make mistakes every five or ten minutes. it's easier that way. but again, i don't -- i don't, elizabeth, you tell me when you have a president, vice president, national security adviser, attorney general, president's closest aides, longtime political -- all lying about the same thing, about contacts they had with russia during 2016, the president is concontexting a story on air force one. that's a lie about adoptions what are you supposed to do. >> it's- dsh you've said a lot, show joe. first of all i don't want to make any comments about my colleague david brooks. he is an opinion columnist. >> so i will leave out ut of the truthiness i just said. my question directed to you, as my witness, is very limited. ands it just me and you here and i'm just asking, what were you and members of "the new york times" and the "washington pos"" and the "wall street journal" to do as you saw one administration official after another administration official lie about contacts they had with the russians in the 2016 campaign. >> obviously we wrote many, many stories about it. me journalist would write what we did. as we pointed out there were 27 indictments. early on i remember in february of 2017 right after the president was in office, we were learning about contacts that his campaign had with russians. of course we wrote that story. that was an explosive story. that was the beginning, as i remember we wrote about contacts that michael flynn had russians. it was -- they were very, very important stories. and we shall not forget that was part of the -- that was a big part of this investigation. i am very proud of our coverage. i have no problems with it. we kept on the ball. and all of these -- all this sort of -- -- all of the attacks now i mean let's see what the mueller says these are attacked about a summary of the mueller report. >> a letter. >> a report that we haven't seen. >> it was explosive because it is david ignatius. you broke the michael flynn angle back then. should you have not done that? gosh you started this whole thing? i mean this is real what happened. >> when you fine out. >> the closest adviser during the campaign. >> and the incoming national security adviser lied to the fbi about contacts he had with the russians. who in the world is not going to report this. >> it was crucial to report it. but this was back in the beginning of 2017 in january. and i published a column saying at the end of does the incoming national security adviser michael flynn had talked with the russian ambassador kizlyak, perhaps about removing sanctions that had been applied by barack obama to punish russia for hacking of our election. and it subsequently turned out that flynn was -- was being untruthful about that, both publicly and to the vice president. back then my hope was that there would be some kind of investigation to establish the answer to the question i couldn't answer a a journalist. which was what happened here? what was this about? what was the larger plot? so when robert mueller was appointed special counsel i as a squurnlist i think most of us felt, okay we're going to have a chance here to get answers. and now this last weekend we've begun to get answers. we've had a an initial summary of the report. mueller has found that that incident, flynn talking to kizlyak and a whole bunch of others, while they may have been disturbing. just because something isn't dietable doesn't mean it's not wrong. but mueller has decided that he doesn't see a conspiracy that wraps those things together. i waited for that conclusion as a journalist. >> with the russian government. with the russian government. so i think one thing we see o say as journalists is sometimes we get the ball started rolling. we discover facts. and then people in law enforcement with subpoena power, the ability to see things we can't, follow it up. and here is his conclusion. i want to read it. >> exactly. >> but there is no idea that there is an aposition that there is a fundamental conflict between mueller's conclusions and what we try to do as journalists i don't buy that. >> it doesn't exist. >> i think it's more per initials than this. i think trump and his people are trying to discredit the entire canon of russia related reporting and discredit -- >> right and if you watched last night you would have heard a lot of the clowns actually suggest that any russian interference with the 2016 campaign. >> right. >> was a scam. >> right. >> ignoring everything that donald trump's intel community told him and the world. >> they were sounding like vladimir putin. >> by the way they were sounding like russian state run television last night. >> think of what they're trying to discredit totally separate from the issue of collusion, for instance trump's business deals with moscow in the pursuit of the tower. that has nothing to do with inclusion. it has to do with compromise. >> right. >> the positions he took during the rnc convention to change the platform, the inauguration donors, nothing to do with collusion, has to do with whether there was foreign influence money thrown in the trump inauguration committee. but more importantly a second part to the story with nothing to do with trump, which is russia's frts to interfere with the election which are now well established by mueller. those things were produced during the course of journalism around russia's interference in 2016. we got insight into what was happening at the direction of vladimir putin and his team. knows are are not discredited in fact fal validated by the from what we know the bar memo of the report. but because the trump campaign is taking a broad stroke of criticism of the report. they are trying to discredit those stories. i think it's incredibly per initials to allow them to say that is the modern day of equivalent of the iraq wmd story which led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands. >> we know what they are doing. >> they are overreaching which politicians all do. they think they have a victory. they are overreaching right now. the entire report is going to come out. abthen they're going to be eating the words they are saying right now. this is a cycle that happens time and again in politics. and you just -- you wind chill them on twitter. you watch them on tv overreaching. >> the president hasn't made a secret of the goal of his attacks on the press. the goal of his attacks on the press is to set up a situation where people believe him over the media. and where if there is a negative story -- i mean he essentially told this to journalist leslie stahl and relate tld story. the issue is regardless of the attacks we still have a job to do. reporters still have a job to do. there are a lot of unanswered questions, accepting robert mueller's conclusion david as you point out he found no conspiracy, and what actually happened. >> and the whole -- again i'm sorry -- the lawyer in me has to say every time you say that with the russian government. >> with the government. >> limited with the russian government. >> but what actually happened? i mean, if he couldn't commit the conspiracy -- or rather if he couldn't have obstructed justice because there was no underlying conspiracy, maybe fine. but what -- why? were they lying all of though lies you laid laid out? will the report answer that question. there has to be a recognize. a kid as young as three years old as a ren for lying. >> not only that, not only were any lying about that, dan, and why did the president, vice president, national security adviser, jared, the attorney general, why did one of the top foreign policy advisers according to donald trump, rick gates, paul manafort why did they lie about russia? >> look, there is an iron law when it comes to talking with politics which is never explain something with male voelens when incompetence is the story. and i think -- >> you are going with my mr. mcgoo splngs that donald trump is mr. mcgoo. >> the entire campaign was -- was a whole collection of mr. mcgoos. i think one virtue you if barr's summary is accurate, is we can step back and remind ourselves that the trump campaign in 2016 was in bizarre collection of, you know -- of hacks and cronies and self-seekers. and so it's not surprising in retrospect. first there are individuals in the campaign who sought to personally profit from what was going on, which oskly explains what michael flynn was doing, for example. but second it's also in the end not surprising that it turns out they lied about russia contacts, because that would imply the campaign knew what it was doing in the first place. or that the right hand knew what the left-hand was doing. and so i do think in one way, you know, david ignatius trying to find the plot. one of the dangerouses is dumbing that there must be an overarching stories that explains the meerd number of contacts between the trump campaign and russia and the russian government or russian individuals and it might turn out these people didn't know what they were doing. they were actually incompetent half wits who lucked into wins the presidency. and so i do i think it's weather remember zblog by the way, dan, i mean we saw the campaign early on. that is actually what happened. but why was it just russians that they were lying about? which weren't they lying about contacts with chinese? why weren't they lying contacts with saudis? why was it everybody in the administration got caught lying about one country. >> first of all i'm not sure they're correct they haven't lied about the other governments. information came out you know has come out since the presidency about the degree which jared kushner met with various people from the qatar. i think the russian maybe were more active in reaching out to the trump campaign than any of the other governments. that's one of the important things we learned from the summary was the intelligence community was right, right to warn everybody in october 2016 that the russians from trying to influence the election. they were right in january 2017 saying the russian government clearly wanted to tilt the election playing field in favor of the trump campaign. everything barr said in terms of mueller's report confirms that. >> and so maybe the russians just saw the trump campaign as a bunch of incompetents easy targets. >> i think dan is absolutely right. i think the trump kban was about division, driving wedges in american society. that's how he campaigned. and that is exactly what the russian covert action campaign threw hacking, internet postings was about, take a country divided and make it worse. >> right. >> that's what they have done consistently from 2016 to today. and i think -- we need to step become and look at in attack on our politics. you know, here we were all waiting for the mueller report. with this idea we'd come together around the mueller report, finally have some answers. and we're as dwoid as ever. >> we don't have the mueller report. >> i'm just -- >> we haven't seen it. >> we do need to understand this is in the context of a adversary trying to weaken us by dividing us. >> by the way, an adversary who saw donald trump come on in show in december of 2015. >> um-hum. >> and actually talk about vladimir putin in dpleing terms. >> incredible. >> saying he was a strong leader and when we said he kills a lot of journalists. and fast forward to helsinki he behaved in a way no president behaved. >> all of these contexts, the russians reaching out constantly to the trump campaign and associates not once did anybody in the campaign report those contacts to the fbi. >> not once. >> which is what you are supposed to do. >> there have been people that have said sam stein that other campaigns have -- no. i've been around this town 25 years. i have never once not a single person. >> yes. >> that would be -- that's been approached by a foreign government by foreign adversary and didn't immediately report it to -- al gore in 2000 when he got. >> the debate precip tapes. >> yes. >> he immediately reached out to the fbi. >> we also -- >> donald trump did not think he was going to win the election. that's why -- i he developed in ties along the way. >> but there is one major component here which is they knew, the russians knew from history that trump sprused business deals in russia we only know about a us that of dogged good reporting to bring it back. when people sit here and say this was entirely discredited work of reporting that's faresicle. there was immense public interest. there was public service in detailing to extent to which the business ties with russia complicate and continue to complicate his presidency. >> the narrative this was a media miss feeds into the white house lie that this is a total exon ration. and that can't happy with will end this reading from the latest column from the "washington post" sbiemgtsed serious journalists should proud of not bullied over the russia reporting writing there are calls for reckoning on news coverage. here goes. i reckon that american citizens would have been far worse off if skilled reporters hadn't dug into the connections between trump's associates up to and including his son don junior and russians. that reporting has never been invalidated. i reckon that the fell johannious lie lying to the about the trump tower in moscow remains a scandal. we know this because journalists were doing jobs aggressively. i reckon the hards nosed reporting about reporting about michael t. flynn roundly denied before proved was an early sign of what was to follow. it's important to acknowledge the value of the serious journalism eism because there is a real risk that news organizations take the edges off the coverage of the subject now. serious news organizations should not allow themselves to be bullied about the important work they have done and must continue to do it. and we will be waiting to see the report. >> everybody stay with us. still ahead with on "morning joe" we hear from two members of congress on all of the senate republican, john kennedien a house democrat ro khanna. they are joining the conversation. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. g "morning " we'll be right back. - [woman] with my shark, i deep clean messes like this. this and even this. but i don't have to clean this, 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those days are over. going forward, hopefully in a bipartisan fashion, we will begin to unpack the other side of the story. >>> you see this is fascinating. >> i have such a headache. >> this is forfeiting. this is for an audience of one thp this is ground covered. >> do in the oval office. >> you should judge just. >> this barred by everything else. >> donald get distracted you can put up -- like one side of the oval office you can just butt up that c-span background and a microphone and tell him you are live on television that way you get your audience of one and don't embarrass yourself in trnt of the rest of us because of course lindsey, this ground has been covered pb the fisa warrants have been covered. if you want to do it again and embarrass yourself you can. by the way, you can keep talking about the dossier, you know that wasn't the beginning of the investigation. >> oh. >> you know that. so why would you -- i mean -- listen here is the dole. this is what you should figure out. because this is what americans need to know. and i bet people -- i bet republicans that will vote in your primary next year are going to really want to know this. who was the one that told john mccain he should turn the dossier over to the fbi? that, buddy -- that person has a lot to answer to to the voters of south carolina. we got to figure that out. >> speak with reporters yesterday graham said his late colleague senator john mccain showed him the document when mccain received it back in 2016. the senator says he recommended to mccain that he give to the fbi. >> hold on. >> hold, wait, what? did you no he this caseyow that lindsey graham was the one that told mccain to give it to the fbi. >> not until he told us yesterday. >> have you ever heard that graham. >> no. >> was the one telling mccain that he should give the dossier to the fbi. >> no months of trump going after mccain for this we find out that graham was the falter. >> elizabeth, did you or anybody. >> you got to -- let me ask the question and stop interrupting. >> elizabeth, can o did you or anybody at the washington bureau know that lindsey graham was the one that cold could john mccain he should give the dossier to the fbi. >> we did not. >> thank you so much. >> david you know everything. now this is shocking to me that lindsey graham -- at least he said that he told john mccain that he should give the dossier to the fbi. did you know that? >> i did not know that. but i did know lindsey graham once upon time believed that john mccain was the most principled politician in the country. >> tell lindsey not to worry because donald doesn
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