and now, for example, an economist named casey mulligan at the university of chicago has written about labor policy now and how that's contributed to the meager quality of the recovery. but the labor component of the later '30s trouble was never studied by anyone in particular. now it's coming out in many, many books, and forgotten man is a narrative for that. the economist i respect most is an adviser to the fed, he teaches at ucla, and he's about to publish a huge book with lance armstrong -- i believe, large sections on the depression within the depression. how making labor expensive punishes people by forcing unemployment. >> time for one more quick question. >> to your point before, as a baby boomer and a retired teacher, what i always had trouble was convincing kids -- [inaudible] toward the suburban school. to these pictures really give you an indication or give readers an indication how much poverty there really was? >> well, i was showing you pages that did various things, you know, that were hard to do. i think they do. i mean, do you know the poem by florence converse "what'