>> well, first thing i learned in life is never to disagree with art cashin. we'll start there. but with regard to the basic trade war issue, the problem with the subsidies of air bus go back 14 years. we've been doing nothing for 14 years. i think it's pretty clear the fractures on our side, the wto will rule there, so here's your choice do you want to continue to do nothing or do you once to say okay, 14 years is enough i think the way to think about this, it's game theory that's not necessarily, you know, a start of a trade war. >> larry -- >> game theory within the general trade. >> is it fair to say that the u.s. consumers, in a way should be told, we're asking you today to pay the tax to bear the brunt of these tariffs in order to achieve, you know, something really important long term is that a fair trade >> well, first of all, the u.s. consumer is only going to pay a very small fraction of the tariff the goods we're talking about, wine and cheese, are supplied and elastically demanded we have a lot of alternatives. i love bordeaux but california has perfectly good produc