>> both cashman the team building leadership. john: what about the dream is dead?> absolutely not. certainly it does die a in certain sectors and that is what many companies are built upon so every time the.com failed. john: so one show was stuff like this. prior written stuffy and he gave the ceo and vice and apparently you helped him. >> a couple low seasons ago he came on this show doing $2 million a year. john: that turned out to be one of the big successes in they just sold out to a big food companies to mckee was said tremendous person a scientist to could create a very tasty treats but needed the team building that allowed his business to grow if it is tasty. john: wouldn't adjust succeed because it tastes better? limit that is a quaint thought but today with the global economy that competes against elman the different categories it is crucial to have great marketing and product it is not just the one trick pony anymore. john: any other successes? >> actually one company was so good we invested in them and put them on as an expert and deutsche bank took them