>> it was jenna caskey. i met with him several times. -- it was jenowk owski. i met with him several times. chairwoman clyburn said this is not acceptable. >> are you confident that this development between at&t and other industry players, this agreement of sorts, could become the norm for interop or ability in other spectrum? that'spe, like a said like i said, that we have learned from this and interoperability will be sort of the trademark of blocks of spectrum that are made available as we go forward. critical tohertz is every carrier out there. obligation, values, characteristics, it penetrates buildings and rural and urban areas you needed to get into the basements and the hard-to-reach areas -- so i hope that we have made some progress there. people say i know many realize how difficult it was, like i said, to put humpty act together. so hopefully, we will have up her ability -- interoperability from the get-go. they are in the throes of finalizing rules for the first- ever incentive auction of thetrum which involves broadcasters selling spectrum to then