in 1998, they cut the first time aig joined it was back in 1998 when, you know, they went to see cassanond you get this crazy thing called super senior and he said are you interested, yes, bring it on. they spotted due to regulation arbitrage they could basically do whatever they wanted and be a super senior they could limit capital and it made a lot of sense. yes, jp morgan did deal with aig quite a bit at the very beginning and, yes, it had dealt -- >> was it by the government would jp morgan never would have lost a lot of money. >> not to the scale of its other competitors. if you broke it into, it's pretty stark. jp morgan is not even up there in the top half dozen from my memory. yeah, you can actually see the breakdown who benefited most from the rescue. i think jp morgan was somewhere around 10 or 11 but i can get the figures for you >> but what about -- >> and the model i think -- they thought it was nuts. there was a discussion with bill -- one of the fascinating things about telling this story is so many of the mistakes and the terrible things, you know, egregious things that w