cassidy: thank you. mr. kennedy: and i just want to pledge to you i will never stick on a point if someone shows me data that i am wrong. i know that that is an interpretation that people have, but it is absolutely wrong. i am science driven and evidence driven. sen. cassidy: i think the concern is how persuadable people are. i will hold myself to the same five minutes. yesterday senator bennet in finance asked you if you once previously made statements that lyme disease was created as a military bioweapon and you said that you may have said that once. . do you still believe that lyme disease was created as a military bioweapon? mr. kennedy: i have never believed that, senator. what i said is that we should always follow the evidence. there were three books suggesting that. i have not read them through. i said we should always follow evidence, no matter what it says. i have never said that definitively lyme disease was created in a bio lab. chair cassidy: this will be a kind of a yes or no. do you commit tha

we've highlighted senator and doctor bill cassidy in his take. what are your takeaways from what you heard. >> just as you said, it. >> was really. >> what kennedy. >> didn't say. >> that was so notable. >> versus what he did say. because this health hearing that we saw yesterday was. >> a little bit. >> different in tone. >> from the finance hearing that we saw the day before. this was bill cassidy, the physician who is the chairman of this committee. who started it out by asking for reassurances on robert f. kennedy jr.. stances on vaccines. >> and. >> sort of a pleading with him to. >> accept. >> published and accepted science. >> take a. >> listen to one of those. >> exchanges. >> if you are approved to this decision, to this position, will you say unequivocally, will you will you reassure mothers unequivocally and without qualification, that the measles and hepatitis b vaccines do not cause autism? >> senator, i am not going into the agency with any. >> kind of a yes or no question because. so if you're because the data is there and that's k

>> i at first. >> i want. >> to say something about. >> bill cassidy. >> bill cassidy was a doctor who with people in his state who were underprivileged. he's a principled man. he's a good man. and, you know, i think that. >> when you. >> kind of put everything in a political lens, it's really unfair to someone like bill. and so what i'm struck by, because i've watched these. is all of them really have memory problems. you know, when you go through and people say, i didn't say that, or why are you bringing. >> that up? >> i mean, i think in a, in a real world where we aren't in lockstep, where there isn't a maga kind of destination for all of these candidates, where where you're either with them or against them, these people would probably not have been even nominated, much less be in this spot. and so it's a matter of whether they you're going to see some republicans kind of grow a spine and say, it's a bridge too far. i want to say this about kennedy because i think it's important. kennedy is pro-choice. he has engaged in litigation, which the wall street journal pointed out is not e

and it wasn't just cassidy who had concerns. take a listen to what senator lisa murkowski told me after the hearing. >> i think he. >> answered the issue of vaccines multiple different times, trying to. >> say that he's pro safety. follow the science. um, uh, i. >> think that there were some questions. >> that were were particularly telling that, uh, when when the science has been out there for a long time and has been proven, um, you know, do you need to continue being the skeptic.? >> and similarly, in gabbard's hearing, there was another series of moments where senator james lankford asked her point blank whether or not she thought edward snowden was a traitor. and he told reporters later he really thought this was sort of an easy set up question. and instead she refused to exactly say that he was a traitor. this was something that multiple senators brought up over the course of this testimony. and while senator john curtis, who's a republican from utah, does not sit on the senate intelligence committee. here's what he said t

chair moran: senator cassidy. sen. cassidy: mr. golnick, maybe three years ago we had testimony that v.a. was giving people ipads and allowing tele-mental health and setting up satellite offices in a rural area in the back of a walmart. we would be as if you are going to a pharmacy but instead you are not going to the psychologist with a stigma, but instead very discreet. reading your testimony i did not see any reference to that. i will start with you. what about this mental health program? are you familiar with it? mr. golnick: i am, senator. i think there are lots of good options getting out there. again, i'm not anti-telehealth. i think veterans should have the opportunity to have the choice between seeing an in person provider versus a telemedicine care. sen. cassidy: i only mention that because the rural aspect of it -- this is obviously a way to -- so someone doesn't have to drive an hour to get in and miss the appointment. i'm a physician. by the way, ms. marg, does anybody else have experience with the telehealth and is it

i worry about democrats and bill cassidy, i don't know. is the key vote. >> ainsley: there are democrats that said they were thinking about voting yes for him. john fetterman and maybe bernie sanders. >> marc: even cory booker. >> marc: bernie sanders is being tough on him, there is possibility he will get that vote. leaning toward thinking he will be confirmed. lawrence and brian have a bet on this. i think republicans are trying to show support for the president's choices. look at pete hegseth, i know him as a friend, i can't believe hows great he was on this show. >> lawrence: what do you make of the criticism on him? he is a disrupter, they are trying to make it seem like him bringing to light about health is a conspiracy. our kids are getting sicker, we are having when it comes to food here, it is different. >> marc: huge. his best moment was not yesterday, day before he said big pharma and big food are going to come after you. he is saying 20% of children is obese. nih spend on childhood disease, what are they spending on self-impose

you just heard that from republican senator bill cassidy. he supports rfk. >> let's just cut to the chase. there is a real fork in the road for american health right now, and that road goes through senator cassidy. he is going to be a crucial vote here. and i know senator cassidy. he wants the best for american patients. he is a doctor, and he cares about trust in public out institutions, and while i want to speak directly to him, i have been with bobby kennedy, close by his side, bobby kennedy is not coming into hhs to assert his opinion into the science, that is what has gotten us to the lack of trust in science. he is hell-bent on getting trust back in the scientific authorities. right now, the american academy of pediatrics, the science says that ozempic should be the first line of defense for obese 12-year-olds. the cdc is saying the covid vaccine should be for every single 6-month-old. we have the fda saying that artificial food colors that are banned in every other country are safe. we have time after time after time co-opted science

>> thank you, chairman cassidy, thank you, senator sanders. ranking members and ranking member sanders and other members of this distinguished committee, cheryl and i were heartbroken last night to learn the tragic accident that took so many of our fellow americans, including our servicemembers. we are in an apartment where we are able to see the rescue operations from our window. american -- senator marshall, please know that i will continue, continue to pray for you as i texted you last night for those who are lost to call your state home, as well as senator kaine and senator alsobrooks and we appreciate the first responder can local officials are working so hard. may god continue to be with us all, and all who are impacted and those who continue to help with the recovery. i'm humbled to be sitting hooted as president trump's nominee to oversee the u.s. department of health and human services. i want to thank president trump for entrusting me to deliver on his promise to make america healthy again. i'm grateful to have my family here once mo

next to him was senator bill cassidy, who is one of the seven republicans who voted to impeach -- toonald trump after his senate trial, after his impeachment. there he was first bumping jd vance. i just want to listen to what senator cassidy had to say after that vote. >> our constitution and our country is more important than any one person. i voted to convict president trump because he is guilty. >> you know, had trump been convicted, had more republicans in the senate voted the way that senator cassidy did, he would not have been eligible -- he wouldn't have been able to run this time around. he wouldn't be able to be president again. what does it say to you, though, about how republicans are viewing trump's reemergence into washington? >> but he wasn't convicted in the senate. >> well, if senator cassidy had his druthers, he would have been. >> he wasn't. he had a trial. he was impeached. it was a political process. he wasn't convicted in the senate. this issue of democracy on january 6th has been litigated not only in the court system, for the big, long investigation maybe some

cassidy something. some of the ultimateld future or we should look at transportation elon says it's mars all that money to planting a flag on mars or should we do it somewhere like memphis? >> thank you for the question. i am intrigued the investment here in the country the biggest benefitey is moving them to her than joe safely efficiency. there's no better opportunity is the greatest opportunity for funding to do something meaningful for the people ofop america to make it impact on the economy and the infrastructure for. >> thank you unless you are rough gremlins wife you're not going to the moon. >> a gentleman yields mr. kennedy your recognizer five minutes. >> think you bring keep member titus appreciate convening this committee thanks of the witnesses you've been here for a while appreciate your willingness to elucidate these important issues. important project in utah's third district it is my district with this major oil fields. there are several crude bite accrued biterail projects in thy distr

cassidy: of course i'm not saying that. mr. kennedy: i think what we need to do is we need to experiment with pilot programs, we need to keep our eye on the ultimate goal which is value-based care, which is transparency, cabability, access. sen. cassidy: and one more thing, you mentioned you are an ma, you mentioned the medicare fee-for-service. do you have any kind of thoughts as to whether or not patients should move into nh, or how should we handle that? mr. kennedy: whether patients...? sen. cassidy: who are on medicare. mr. kennedy: that is their choice right now. i think 32 million americans or 30 million americans on medicare, untraditional medicare and then another 34 or 34 on medicare advantage, roughly half-and-half, i think more people would rather be on medicare advantage because it offers very good services. but people can't afford it. it is much more expensive. and to answer your first question, there are all kinds of exciting things that we can be doing including cooperatives which president trump has supported,

louisiana senator bill cassidy.or, thank you for being here. >> thank you precook senator fbi dhs counterterrorism warrant a potential copycat attacks after what we saw in new orleans. there are several large-scale events from the super bowl in new orleans to inauguration and d.c. it is enough being done to prevent something like this from happening again? >> i can promise you everything is going to be done. they do not want to look bad. and to comment more poorly they want to protect the american people. you have to recognize that wherever their so-called soft target street festivals and say there's potentessay this potentr something bad to happen. i would encourage the american people to be alert report things that look the thing terrorists what to do which is to say i'm too afraid to live in freedom. no, you got to be bold to live in freedom and that's the best we can counterterrorism. jacqui: senator, the city of new orleans spent $2.3 billion to harden infrastructure after the fbi warned in 2017 the french quar

today, cassidy said, for the first time on the.ord in a public setting. >> that he had real. >> questions about rfk jr. s nomination, which i think. >> is very significant. >> said specifically, he wanted clarity on the vaccine issue and felt that he didn't get it. if cassidy is a no vote, that could lead to many others at this point, he hasn't said whether or not he'll vote yes or no, but he could be a leading. >> indicator of where this nomination is headed. >> because keep in mind, he needs to get out of committee first. if cassidy votes no in the committee, it will be very difficult for rfk jr to get his vote all the way to the floor. >> all right, ryan nobles, thank you very much. donald trump is signing a couple of executive orders right now. we'll show you some video. the first one is the second presidential memorandum directing the faa to assess damage from dea policies and to ensure competing in hiring. he says he's going to visit with some of the families of the crash. he also is signing an executive order to appoint an a

cassidy: kind of a yes or no question, because the data is there. that's kind of a yes or no.nd i, i don't mean to cut you off, but that really is a yes or no. >> if the data is there, i will absolutely do that. lisa: this is what kennedy says, that he's open to arguments but democrats and cassidy say it's not a question of with her the data is there. we know the date is there. there's a 2022 study looking at 19 different studies showing there is no link between autism and vaccines. there's also studies looking at kids who were not vaccinated and say no different this significant and how they were diagnosed with autism. there is something notable, three republican senators in the hearing backed u's refusal to deny that link between autism and vaccines. they said why not be open to it? one of them said there probably is a link, tommy tuberville. that is not scientific. in the hearing where kennedy was questioning science, he says is people acting in bad faith, the truth is kennedy who has written books on health himself is not really sticking to the science here. on vaccines, p

thank you senator cassidy.reciate you. >> thank you. >> jacqui: the bite and demonstrations home strategy. democratic congressman to adam smith joins us to discuss of the white house put in much emphasis on terrorism. that's next. the tunnel to towers foundation and the congressional medal of honor society recognizes valor beyond the call of duty. britt slabinski, a recipient of the medal of honor himself, sat down with fellow recipients to hear their stories from their military service to their transition into the veteran community. it nothing we won, right? we're pretty vocal on that, saying, look, i didn't win anything like we're a recipient of this. you're going to highlight me for the day. we're four guys get killed. never crossed my mind about receiving the medal of honor. never. i was told i was being put in for it the day after the battle. the highest level of valor. you want to understand, why did these people lose their lives? why aren't they in my place? can't refuse it. we don't have the wear if you

cassidy, aye. mr. young, aye. the presiding officer: the yeas are 59, the nays are 34. the nomination is confirmed. mr. thune: mr. president. the presiding officer: the majority leader. mr. thune: i ask unanimous consent that with respect to the nome nomination, the motion to reconsider be considered made and laid upon the table that the mandatory quorum call with respect to the bessent nomination be waived. the presiding officer: is there objection? without objection. the clerk will report the motion to invoke cloture. the clerk: cloture accordance with the provisions of rule 22 of the standing rules of the senate, do hereby bring to a close debate on the nomination of scott bessent, of south carolina, to be secretary the treasury, signed by 17 senators. the presiding officer: by unanimous consent, the mandatory quorum call has been waived. the question is, is it the sense of the senate that debate on the nomination of scott bessent, of south carolina, to be secretary of the treasury, shall be brought to a close? the yeas and nays are mandatory under the rule. the cler

let's bring in louisiana senator bill cassidy. now, senator, thank you for being here with us this morning. we should note that you're in baton rouge, nearby to where this awful tragedy happened. i first want to get your reaction to what cnn is learning that the fbi is investigating this as an act of terrorism. >> yeah, that's obviously significant. it clearly was an act of terrorism, whether it was official or not. but the fact that the fbi has designated suggest that there might have been somebody who has come from abroad or internally with the specific with the specific goal to wound as many as people before as possible, before a high profile event like the sugar bowl. um, in an effort to send a message. the question is, what is that message? but now that it's being designated an act of terrorism. and by the way, they have the license plates, they know who these people were. that in and of itself is significant. when the fbi is saying it's possibly an act of right. >> i believe at last check, there was one suspect. that suspect

that's just a really important vote, because cassidy sits on finance.and once again, if one republican on that committee votes no, that could imperil the nomination from ever getting to the floor. >> yeah, certainly. certainly not a vote of confidence there from cassidy. we'll see if republicans fall in line. lauren fox, thanks so much for the reporting. so as president trump cracks down on diversity, equity and inclusion at the federal level, many big companies are actually keeping their own dei policies in place. why? they believe it's good for business super man the christopher reeve story sunday at eight on cnn. >> safe repair. >> safelite replace. >> nobody likes a cracked windshield but at least you can go to safelite. com and schedule a fix in minutes. go to safelite. com and schedule a replacement today. >> safelite repair. >> safelite. >> replace work. play blink. relief. work. play. >> blink. >> relief. >> the only. >> three and one. >> extended relief formula for dry eyes. >> blink. >> want a next level clean swish with the whoa of listerine?

>> there's a party of one he has to focus on and it is bill cassidy.nator from louisiana is a doctor, the most pivotal vote on that committee because he has not yet decided. they could get him out of committee, getting to the floor, republicans can only give up three votes. it's going to be touch and go to the finish line. stuart: california residents who lost their homes in the fires are looking for places to rent. max and gordon in california. is this creating bidding wars? >> reporter: we seen a rush on rentals as well as accusations of price gouging by landlords. caliph when you land doesn't allow rent increases of 10% for properties with leases of the year or less during declared emergencies like this one. so far the state attorney general has charged two landlords with price gouging, the la county da's office says they are investigating other suspected incidents. a crowd sourced spreadsheet created by a rights group has 1500 incidents of rent gouging. >> we should be focusing on this so people can start rebuilding their lives. instead we have a b

but before we go, kennedy had an exchange with senator bill cassidy. as we noted, a potential key swing republican vote here, during which he appeared kennedy to confuse medicare and medicaid and got several just quite simple facts wrong. what was your reaction to that? >> look, he confused medicaid with medicare. he confused medicaid with private insurance on the aca exchanges. he doesn't understand some basics here. medicaid is a lifeline to our rural hospitals. you heard a number of my republican colleagues say they were really worried about making sure that rural health care was available to their constituents. yet mr. kennedy doesn't seem to understand that medicaid is essential to that effort. nor did mr. kennedy say that he would support medicaid and protect it from the budget cuts that donald trump and congressional republicans have been suggesting that they will undertake. i mean, this is really serious. he doesn't understand how our health care system works. pretty hard to understand how we'll improve it when he is so unknowledgable. and the

the other questions senator cassidy asks you some questions about our health care system. i happen to believe that our health care system is profoundly broken. and it's not just about the chronic illnesses. that's about our diet, that's about our exercise. but we are getting premium increases in vermont of 20% a year, 25% a year, and it's busting the bank for taxpayers. it's busting the bank for our wonderful vermont employers who care about having health insurance that they can provide to their employees. senator cassidy asked you a couple of questions about how you would reform medicaid, and i didn't hear an answer. you mentioned that you thought medicare advantage was good. you have a good plan? no, no. focus on what an incredible rip off was reported in the wall street journal by unitedhealthcare, which was marketing medicare advantage and then paying doctors and nurses where they had assignments essentially to over over it, diagnose illnesses that didn't exist. so they made hundred. they made billions and billions of dollars. and i've seen nothing coming out of the tr

the witnesses, i remember about people like cassidy hutchinson. michael cohen, who was donald trump's lawyer who came forward to tell the truth about the crimes that were created by the hush money payoff scheme with stormy daniels, rudy giuliani's man said there was nothing there, we were trying to concoct stories about joe biden. he's somebody who could be threatened. people in that category need our assistance and our solidarity and i would hope that there are some things at that could bring us together where we could work together in bipartisan ways. for example, i know that president-elect trump seems to be proud of the fact that he won in the popular vote he did this time. he didn't win in the popular vote in 2016, but won by more than three million votes. joe biden was proud he won by more than seven million votes in 2020. how about we get everybody together and say it's time to elect the president of the united states the way that we elect representatives, senators, governors, mayors, everybody else. whoever gets the most votes wins, let's

lisa: now, this is what kennedy says, is that he's open to arguments, but democrats and cassidy saidquestion of if the data is there. in fact, we know the data is there, at least what the data says so far. there's a 2022 study looking at 19 different studies that shows there's no link that's known scientifically between autism and vaccines. there's also studies looking at kids who were not vaccinated and saying no difference significance in how they were diagnosed with autism. now, there's something else notable in this hearing too, geoff. three republican senators who were in this hearing, you see them right there, backed up kennedy's refusal to deny that link between autism and vaccines. they said, why not be open to it? one of them talking to afterwards, tommy tuberville, said, there probably is a link. that is not scientific. and in this hearing, where kennedy was questioning science, he wants to disrupt what he says is people who are acting in bad faith, the truth is, kennedy, who's written books on health, i have been reading one of them himself, is not really sticking to the s

if this follows the same path, you laid out others, bill cassidy.e pharmaceutical industry. mr. -- midwestern senators connected to an. what are the betting markets seeing, this math seems to be defined with you and i write now. >> it's 1 that's right on the edge right now. you talked about midwestern senators. you met with the republican senator from north dakota. he wanted assurances on agriculture. we talked about high fructose corn syrup, there are pro-life senators out there. james langford, you talked about the pharmaceutical industry. could he to get democrats, we don't know bernie sanders and others have maybe indicated that they might be interested in voting for rfk jr. but we just don't know. it's going to be very telling to get through those committee hearings. the finance committee tomorrow and then the health committee on thursday. he wouldn't still be meeting if they felt they had this nailed down. >> will: i had a conversation with senator mark wayne mullen about these nominees. he expressed less optimism about his friend and somebody

senator cassidy one of the medical doctors on the senate. a ton of weight and sounded he was trying to get rfk, jr. and get on the same page. he came away saying i have real concerns. right, is there enough public pressure, private pressure on him? we have heard talk from a number of people close to the president on down saying if you vote no on these nominees you will be primaried. >> dana: john fetterman will be a guest on "fox news sunday." his opinion was rfk, jr. did not have a great hearing. >> i will be interested to see. i will ask him and senator graham where they plan to vote on the three we heard from this week. senator fetterman has been a key cross over vote much to the consternation of his party. he was at the laken riley signing this week. a key vote on the icc in the senate this week. we'll see if we can get answers where their votes will land. >> bill: fetterman has been asked if he will cross over the party line. he said he would make a terrible republican. so good luck with that this weekend, shannon. >> i'm wearing a hood

it's not clear whether or not cassidy is going to support him. he's also going to be leading the hearing tomorrow before the health committee, when rfk jr.. will go before that committee. so it's a really interesting note, given the fact that we don't know how cassidy is going to vote. and after the hearing, cassidy came out of the hearing room and he would not comment to reporters on what he thought of the performance today. so i just think that that's a really interesting note because, again, republicans have a majority in the senate. they can get this nomination through without a single democratic vote, but they only have an ability to lose a handful of republicans. and we saw last week just what a narrow majority that looks like when it came to the pete hegseth vote. again, they can only lose three republicans. if they lose four, then this nomination does not advance. so i just thought that was a really interesting moment. jessica, to point out. >> all right. >> perhaps it gives a glimpse of of what may come when senator cassidy casts his bal

i was really struck by cassidy's questioning in this. i do think before this week, there was this possibility that some democrats might actually vote for him, and maybe that still will be the case. i don't know, i was much more interested, i think, in the tulsi gabbard hearing. i think there are a lot of indication that from that hearing and from the reaction to her answers, that there are republicans. susan collins and todd young are the ones everybody is watching. i think we should watch what their words, what they say. they're on that committee. if they don't vote for her, it doesn't get out of committee. i don't think it goes to the floor. john thune has to have a conversation with president trump after that. if he if she falls in committee. >> i think overall, the democrats seemed much more organized this week in their lines of questioning than they did when hegseth first came up. and i thought that rfk really just fumbled his answers, both with republicans and democrats. and look, i think everybody can agree that our health care is

lee: senator cassidy. senator cassidy: hey, governor burgum, thanks for doing the job, man.ppreciate it. we both come from oil and gas-producing states. one of my top priorities has been to use federal state revenue sharing on oil and gas lands to help rebuild louisiana's coastline. during the time of this hearing, we will have lost several football fields worth of louisiana coastline, which of course makes us more vulnerable to a hurricane hitting our coast. and last congress, i'm pleased to say, that the rise act, which did that, passed by voice vote out of this committee, so i'm hoping we do that again. can you briefly speak to the importance of revenue sharing to north dakota, knowing that on federal lands in north dakota, there's revenue that comes back to help mitigate whatever negative impact that drilling may have? gov. burgum: well, yes, absolutely. and the federal revenue goes two ways. i mean, at least we've got it coming back, a portion of it back, to the state, but then a portion of it goes back to the federal treasury. and the federal treasury, as we know, we'v

i worry most about people like cassidy hutchinson.ichael cohen, donald trump's lawyers looking forward to tell the truth about the crimes that were created by the hush money payoff game with stormy daniels, left parnas was rudy giuliani's right-hand man came forward he said it was nothing there, we were trying to concoct stories about joe biden. he simply just to threatened. so i think people in that category need our assistance and our solidarity, and i would hope that there are some things that could bring us together where we can work together in a bipartisan way. for example, i know that president-elect donald trump seems to be very proud of the fact that he won the popular vote this time. he didn't win the popular vote in 2016, but he won it by more than 3 million votes i know joe biden was proud that he won by more than 7 million votes in 2020. how about we get everybody together and say it's time for us to start electing the president of the united states the way we elect representatives, senators, governors, mayors, everybody

right around this time, december of '22, i passed, along with senator bill cassidy, the pregnant workers fairness act to protect women in the work force who are pregnant and working but didn't have the full measure of protection, so employers were able to discriminate against women on the job who were pregnant, sometimes very late in the pregnancies. we changed that by passing a standard that the employer must provide reasonable accommodations. obviously in a broader sense, and i'm trying to truncate this a little bit, in a broader sense being part of the effort to pass the affordable care act, which brought health care to tens of millions of americans, including 1.4 million people in pennsylvania, passing the infrastructure law, passing legislation that's helping us combat climate change and bring down the cost of prescription drugs for seniors, and i could go on, but i won't. >> how has your chairmanship of the ageing committee impacted the citizens of pennsylvania, and is that chairmanship reflective of the needs of your state? >> i think it is. the work we did is reflective of the ne

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senator cassidy. >> mr. kennedy, president trump has sworn to protect medicare, republicans are exploring reforms to medicaid that could help pay for trump administration priorities. with this context, what will you do about dual eligibles? >> dual eligibles are not right now served very well under this system. those are people who are eligible for both medicaid and medicare. and the -- i suppose my answer to that is to make sure that the programs are consolidated. that they are integrated and the care is integrated. i look forward to working with you, dr. cassidy, on making sure that we take good care of people who are -- >> how do you propose that we integrate those programs? does medicare pay more or less, medicaid pay more or less? how do we do that? >> i'm not exactly sure because i'm not in there. it is difficult to integrate them because medicaid -- medicare is under a fee for service, paid for by employer taxes, medicaid is -- is fully paid for by the federal government and it is not fee for service.

he probably even gets chairman cassidy's vote. >> at the end of the day. >> i mean, look, senator cassidy is a doctor. he has is a remarkably bright, intelligent guy committed to public health. i think he's trying to make known that he's got some concerns, but i'd be surprised if ultimately he doesn't go and confirm rfk, along with most of the republicans, which is going to allow him to ultimately enter into leading the hhs here the next week or so. you know, i think actually he did as good of a job as he could, trying to quiet some of the skeptics and answer some of the criticisms and be able to be direct in pushing back against what, you know, some senators might believe, he thinks, versus what he actually thinks. i mean, the truth is, donald trump picked him to go be a disruptor at hhs just because you question certain types question science doesn't mean you don't believe in science. and in fact, i think folks would largely agree that we need individuals who are going to ask more questions to ensure that we have the most safe and effective vaccines that actually come out of approval, u

. >> former aide, cassidy hutchinson. >> we all remember her. but one of speaker johnson's aides said do not do it. >> because the. >> subpoena could. expose sexually explicit texts lawmakers. >> sent to. >> this young woman. speaker johnson has. >> denied this report. >> and nbc. >> news has. >> not confirmed it. >> but. >> melanie. >> have you heard anything. >> about it? >> i mean, listen, i don't know what members they're referring to there. the washington post says they have not reviewed any text messages between cassidy hutchinson and any members of congress. they did review, though the email correspondence between johnson's office and barry loudermilk's office. so clearly this was a concern that was percolating. and i would just say that cassidy hutchinson has been the star witness of the january 6th select committee. she delivered some of the most explosive testimony. so it's not surprising that they wanted to subpoena her. they have been trying to go after her. we'll see, though, whether they end up following through with that as that t

the washington post says they have not reviewed any text messages between cassidy, hutchinson and any members of congress. they did review, though the email correspondence between johnson's office and barry loudermilk's office. so clearly this was a concern that was percolating. and i would just say that cassidy hutchinson has been the star witness of the january 6th select committee. she delivered some of the most explosive testimony. so it's not surprising that they wanted to subpoena her. they have been trying to go after her. we'll see, though, whether they end up following through with that as that they're going to continue this investigation. >> it's wow. all right. carol melanie, peter, thank you for starting us this evening. when we return, donald trump takes america first to davos. well, he does it virtually. and later trump's world ventures into the crypto sphere. you might not like crypto, but here's where it matters. this could be creating a new pathway for legal corruption with the taxpayer, creating a safety net behind it. the 11th hour just getting the 11th hour just ge

when senator cassidy questions him about vaccines as a cause of autism, for which.here's been dozens of studies showing that there is no association between getting a vaccine and developing autism, he says. if the data are there. rfk jr. says if the data are there, what is he talking about? of course their data are there. he just ignores those data because it doesn't fit with his fit in with his fixed, immutable, science resistant hypothesis that vaccines cause autism. his response should scare the american public, and it should scare senator cassidy. >> yeah. when he says, show me the data, it almost should be read as i don't trust any data. that's the only two ways you can kind of put it together, given when he's talking about hepatitis b vaccine especially, and he says he's not anti-vaccine, we know that that is fundamentally can't be true because he does not trust science, which also led to another very striking moment with senator maggie hassan. let me play this for you. >> i am the proud mother of. >> a 36. >> year old young man with severe cerebral palsy. ple

senator cassidy. >> also kind of fascinating and slightly troubling was there was a debate about, even amongst senators about the hepatitis b vaccine. >> yeah. and senator cassidy, who used to treat liver patients really sort of put rand paul in some ways in his place by saying this is established science, that providing this to mothers, to newborns can prevent transmission from their mothers at birth. and that's hugely important. >> absolutely. meg, thank you for your continued focus on this. sarah. >> all right. a new hour of cnn news central starts right. >> now. >> this morning we are tracking several new developments in that deadly mid-air collision that took 67 lives. now, just moments ago, a ground stop watch was issued at reagan national airport was finally lifted. the faa says it was in place for a very short time as the airport faced a higher volume of flights, which has been a concern. also, just moments ago, a brand new post from president trump. the president saying, and i'm quoting here, the blackhawk helicopter was flying too high by a lot. it was far above the 200 foot

bill cassidy is another. thom tillis the third. all three of them have shown willingness over the years to kind of buck trump and buck the party and vote their conscience. and then, of course, bill cassidy and thom tillis have upcoming reelections as well, which is going to change the dynamic for them. >> cassidy, also a doctor and has been a pro vaccine, which has been one of the critical issues of his confirmation. kennedy. just over a year ago, in an interview with kasie hunt, who hosts the show, said that he did not believe there was a safe and effective vaccine. i want to take a listen to that. >> there's no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective. >> so you. >> did say it. do you still believe it? >> well, here's what here's what i. here's what i would say. first of all, i'm not anti-vaccine. >> how is that statement not anti-vaccine? >> well, it's it's i can say right now there is no medication, medicine for cancer that's safe and effective. it doesn't mean i'm against all medicines. >> so some of that equivocating, i'

cassidy, not saying how he would come down. and if he decides to go one way or the other, it could determine whether kennedy has enough votes to be favorably approved and sent to the senate floor. >> all right, manu raju, thanks so much. appreciate it. cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta's here. sanjay, good to see you. as we look to the possibility of rfk jr. leaving hhs, the department of health and human services, how are parents attitudes changing about vaccines and what does that tell you? >> yeah, you know, it's there's a consequence to misinformation. so if you look about four years ago and say how likely were parents to get their kids vaccinated, about 90% of parents said no problem with that, which was down, by the way, a little bit even from years prior. now it's closer to 82%. so to give you a little context there, for something like measles, which is really contagious, you need to get about 95% of the population vaccinated. that's how you get herd immunity. we started to have measles outbreaks even befo

>> well, you know, i sit next to senator cassidy. he was the ranking member and i was the chair. now i'm the ranking member. he's the chair. he is a doctor, and he's nobody's fool. he is concerned about kennedy's absurd attacks and lies about vaccines and autism. and we will see what happens. what we should appreciate is there will be an enormous amount of pressure on cassidy, on other republicans. but his line of questioning was, i think, very commendable. >> yeah. senator bernie sanders, who asked kennedy if he could just say whether vaccines and autism were linked, wouldn't answer his question. thank you so much, senator. appreciate it. >> thank you chris. >> still ahead, the second trump turn is shaping up to be even more cruel than the first, and maybe even more incompetent. that's next. >> to avoid digital threats, just. >> turn on nordvpn, improve. >> your protection. against trackers, malicious. >> websites. >> and malware ridden downloads. >> get the. >> deal now. >> ocd is. >> more than what you see. >> on tv. >> and in the movies. it comes. >> with an. intrusive images

bill cassidy, he's the chairman of the one of the committees that held a hearing today.e raised concerns about his views on vaccines. he tried to get rfk jr. to knock down the false notion that childhood autism is linked to vaccine use. rfk jr. hedged in his response to that. and at the end of that hearing, cassidy said he was troubled by that remark and he was torn about ultimately how he will come down and if he votes no, the vote, the committee that actually votes on this nomination, the senate finance committee. cassidy also sits on that committee. he could essentially scuttle this nomination if he votes no. when that committee takes up rfk jr.. s nomination, watch for that. and then for tulsi gabbard senator susan collins of maine, a swing vote on that panel. she had an exchange with tulsi gabbard. it was not a particularly contentious one, but she still is uncertain about what she would do. i asked susan collins how she'll ultimately come down. she said she's still reviewing all of her answers, and she said the jury is still out. she said, yes, i need to be very ca

standing by with us is gerard cassidy of rbc, sonali basak as well.t succession planning. the news and how you are reacting to that. gerard: it was not too surprising. daniel pinto, when he was moved over to this officer rowley year ago from the head of -- office role a year ago, he was never considered the heir apparent. they were the leading horses. now jen will be the chief operating officer. lake runs the largest division, the consumer banking business. a couple of the other executives heading up the commercial investment bank will maybe consider heir apparents as well. jonathan: just getting wells fargo so hold on a second. i want to cross over from manus cranny. manus: a beat for wells fargo. the estimate out there was for 11.7. it's about reporting in the first series of rate cuts we have seen for five years. always an interesting one at $1.21 billion. that is there net charge-offs. the guidance for 2025 for net interest income is expected to be about 1% to 3% above 2024. that is a comfortable beat on the net interest outcome at wells fargo and

certainly, senator cassidy has questions about that. so he has work to do. on the political other hand, i think he's the most popular appointee of donald trump right now, the most popular nominee. he's the most well known. the kennedy name still carries quite a cachet in this country. and the the focus on health, just the overall idea of asking questions about why we're so unhealthy and whose fault is it and who can we hold accountable and what can we do about it? this has a massive constituency, as does some of the things he says about the pharmaceutical industry. so he's not without political assets and political momentum as he goes into a questionable situation. >> paul, given some of the things he said in the past about vaccines, what do you anticipate today and where do you think the democrats and republicans? because, look, senator cassidy and others have questions to where they should focus. >> yeah. >> i mean. he's a. he's certainly not a democrat. just let's get that straight. he left the. >> democratic party a. >> long time ago. i think he kind of