he is the graham cassidy but he also has collins cassidy. i'm sure there are things that he would want to put on the table. bernie sanders is on the committee he has a single pay your bill. that problem is wanting to gymnast through without votes. use the committee process because as you know, this committee, lamar was a governor and knows medicaid. he was the university of tennessee president. patty is a fantastic negotiator. you have doctors on the committee, another governor, maggie hassan. you have people on the committee that are doctors, run medicaid programs, insurance commissioners. now is the time for big ideas to come to the table and be discussed in a deliberate, careful way with transparency. mr. allen: is a long road what it you think the time is right. senator kaine: i do. the more and more that people constituents are saying, i live out here in rural colorado, rural anywhere in there's just no options for me. i don't think that we are going to long tolerate big parts of the population not being able to buy insurance on the ind

if you say did it happen too quickly, in one sense if you consider cassidy collins's approach i wouldo but if you say graham cassidy which was different but still had at its core giving states the option to do that which worked for them i would say no. on the other hand, to get our policy changed and right we were working 18 hours a day 7 days a week, didn't have a chance to push back on the left which was misrepresenting the bill and in that case clearly was done too quickly and it did not go through the committee process. i totally accept that. i did not control that, that was dictated by short term limits. >> in retrospect was that a mistake? what did you learn about what it takes to socialize and get people comfortable with such a massive change? >> i'm going to dispute the idea it is a massive change. some states in which the status quo is failing would do things differently but california if they love what they are doing they can do what they are doing. >> what do you learn about what works and what doesn't work? >> what i learned is some people are going to push back in a way i

well, in one sense if you consider cassidy collins then i would say no. you say that graham cassidy which was different, but still had at its core, giving states the option to do what works for them then i would say no. but on the other hand, to get the policy changed, we working 18 hours a day, seven days a week. do not have a chance to push back on the left which was misrepresenting the bill. and in that case it clearly was done too quickly. and senator tim kaine criticism is a fair criticism. it did not go through the committee process. i totally accept that, i did not control that. it was dictated by the short term. >> in retrospect, what did you learn about what it takes to socialize and get people comfortable with such a massive change? >> again, am going to dispute the idea that it is a massive change. acceptance so far that some states in which these status quo is failing we do things differently.but california, if they love what they are doing and they can do exactly what they are doing. >> so what did you learn about what works and what doesn't w

now, if you say it happened too quickly, well, in one sense if you consider cassidy-collins -- [inaudible] i would say no. but it is a graham-cassidy which was different, but still had at its core giving states the option to do works and i would say no. but on the other hand, to get our policy changed and right where working 18 hours a day seven days we come did have a chance of pushback on the left which was misrepresenting the bill and in the case including was done too quickly, and senator send it or change criticism is a fair criticism. he go through the committee process. i totally accepted. i did not control that. that dictated by our short-term. >> in retrospect was at a mistake? what did you learn about what it takes to socialize and get people comfortable with such a massive change? >> i can i'm going to dispute the idea it's a massive change, except insofar as some states in which the status quo is failing would do things differently. but california if you love what they're doing they can do exactly what they're doing. >> what did you learn about what works and what doesn't work

cassidy also has collins cassidy. bernie sanders is a member of the committee.ng wrong with the big a deal is but jamming them through withis knoll hearing or snap votes or reconciliation. because thisoc committee he knows medicaid he had them then school as a fantastic negotiator says you have people on the committee that our insurance commissioners now with the time for big ideas to be discussed in a deliberate way with transparency. >> amado's constituents say i live out here there just is no options i don't think we willn' tolerate parts of the population of buying insurance on the individual market. >> you run a the vice-presidential old nominee and presidential elections if they are moving too fast?. >> i don't think so. >> it is almost day litmus test. >> but t people have to decide rather than comment i think we have come up with single payer that turns it topsy-turvy and single payer is a different system we stick right where we are with new taxes the subsidies and then add that element. end to take advantage but what is the right way to the al vann ele

cassidy: the plan was begun with cassidy-collins, which envisioned that states could implement a program. receive that block grant and do what they have been doing. nothing would have changed. but in tennessee, where the individual market has imploded, of course. you need to do something different. dy-collins envisioned that. we had attempted to socialize that with the other party for eight months. no one was interested. republican leadership failed. i had a few weeks to put together an alternative. if you asked if it happened too quickly, if you consider cassid progenitor, ihe would say no. cassidy-graham, to get our policy changed, we were working 18 hours a day and didn't have a chance to push back the left, which was misrepresenting the bill. in that case, it was clearly done too quickly. i totally accept the criticism it did not go through the committee process. learn aboutid you what it takes to get people comfortable with such a massive change? sen. cassidy: i am going to dispute the idea it is a massive thege, except in so far status quo is failing. california loves what they are

there is graham-cassidy and collins-cassidy, elements he table.ant to put on bernie sanders will want to put single payer on the table. big ideas, g with what is wrong, jamming them through with no public hearings, votes on the floor and reconciliation, no, use the committee process. lamar was committee, a governor, he knows medicaid, president of the university of had med school and a hospital, patty is a fantastic negotiator. ou have doctors on the committee. you have another governor, hassan hassan. there are insurance commissions, to is the time for big ideas come to the table and be discussed in a deliberate, careful way with a lot of and openness. >> a long road, you think the times are right? people's ore and more constituents are saying, i live virginia, lorado or rural anywhere, there is just no options for me. to n't think we're going long tolerate big parts of the population not being able to buy individual the markets. >> a tweet there. talking about big ideas, you the vice presidential nominee last year, you are from of the most important states commonwealth of virginia i

alexander-murray proposal in addition to me are senator rounds, senator graham, senator mccain, senator cassidy, senator collins, senator ernst, senator senator murkowski, senator burr, and senator corker. i thank them all for doing that and senator murray will talk about the equal number of democrat cosponsors that we have. we hope that senator mcconnell and senator schumer, the president of the united states, and the house of representatives will consider our proposal. this is a first step, improve it, pass it sooner rather than later. our purpose is to stabilize and then lower the costs of premiums in the individual insurance market for the year 2018 and 2019. in plain english, most americans get their insurance from the government or on the job. about 6% or 18 million americans go to the individual market to buy it. they are the ones we're worried about. they are the ones we're seeking to help. there are 350,000 in tennessee, songwriters, farmers, small businesses. they are the ones that could get the skyrocketing premiums or may not be able to buy insurance at all. our agreement amends the affordable care

prescription drug costs and response to a bipartisan request led by senators cassidy, senator franken, along with senators collins, baldwin, murkowski, whitehouse, cap tow, sanders, enzi and warren as well as other senators interested in the subject. not only was the request for these hearings bipartisan, but both this hearing and the first hearing on drug prices were bipartisan, which means senator murray and i agreed on the witnesses. despite this, our first hearing in june went so far off track that i delayed this hearing because senators, instead of talking about drug prices, wanted to use the opportunity to talk about other issues specifically the affordable care act. i acknowledge their deep feelings and differences of opinions on the aca, but the senate has been stuck in a partisan stalemate for seven years over what is a relatively small part of health care, the individual health insurance market where 6% of americans purchase health insurance. senator murray and i have been working for several weeks to see if we can find within the senate a limited consensus, bipartisan agreement, to stabilize the indivi

cassidy? guest: i think that they still have the same vote problem, right? where it's maybe four members who will say no on principle. susan collins announced this morning she's going to stay there. that vote will stay. lisa murkowski is still swing vote. john mccain. and rand paul doesn't like the idea of the federal government paying for health care. you still have the same problem to solve. host: rand paul, you mentioned him, why he was at that signing ceremony yesterday. what role he had in this executive order. guest: association health plans forever. this is something he wanted all along. he's been telling reporters for a while he's talking to the president about it. the president wants to do an executive order. i think he was pretty instrumental in getting this done. host: as we show you some of the video from that signing ceremony yesterday, there is the vice president talking to rand paul standing directly behind him there. if you missed that signing ceremony you can watch it on our website at c-span.org. wade in south carolina, line for independents, go ahead. caller: i'm kind of wondering, a federal judge found this law

about graham cassidy or just going to put it up again the way it was. >> there will be some modification going forward because it's a different legislative year. on the other hand, senator collinsap. she wanted to have a fuller understanding of that, make sure mainers did okay on that. we'll have the next several months to explore that and prove that maine does pretty well under the per capita cap. our compressed time frame last time didn't allow us to push back, didn't allow us to tell those like the people in virginia and missouri, how much better their states did. >> certainly moved to regular order. this is joe scarborough, senator -- obviously is a step in the right direction. what mika was pointing out, the president being ignorant of the legislation before him. y i wanted to ask you -- >> hold on, hold on. there is so much evidence that this president doesn't know what's in the bill. it's been a complaint time and time again from legislators on the hill that he doesn't know what's on the bill. all he wants is a bill he can sign. rich lowry this morning from the national review writes in politico, the trump administration has formidable obstacles but none looms quite as l

so it is interesting because susan collins is making that point this morning, even as you talk about how senators alexander and cassidy and king are optimistic. here's what senator cassidy said and we'll get your take on the other side. >> will you get a vote on this? >> well, that is the big question indeed. yesterday i would have told you absolutely. it seemed to me that everything was going very well, that the president, despite in some ways precipitating the crisis, had come on board with this bipartisan approach. but now the white house is sending conflicting messages. now that some opposition seems to be arising, i'm not sure what is going to happen. >> so to sum that up, michael, a question mark. >> well, yeah. this is all nice, fun and games in the united states senate. no one is talking about the house. they just think -- >> so talk about the house. >> well, we are just going to pass all this stuff and graham/cassidy and al alexander/murray and fitch and abercrombie or something. but the fact of the matter is this is not done in isolation. >> correct. you have mark meadows who says this is a good start. and y

formulations susan collins susan -- lisa murkowski excuse me moderate members weren't okay with it fundamentally different i tend to think that the -- the framework put in place by graham and cassidyhat is going to be why republicans go, as the chafee if you will to replace can they get the two coalitions together to agree on repealing enough obamacare replacing it to move forward. >> how aggressive will insurance companies be about selling across state lines giving individuals more opportunity more optionality than to shop better plans. >> as you raul president trump issuing an executive order last week on obamacare, the idea was let's try and figure out how to open up the marketplace a little bit, he expanded what are known as association health plans great for small businesses small business can band together if in the same industry across country same regional don't have to be in same zree the idea maybe if they band together can of our insurance more affordable offers benefits people want instead of buying things they don't need it is still open question how many small businesses are going to take advantage of that how many insurers in the marketplace we are not going to know

cassidy? guest: i think that they still have the same vote problem, right? where it's maybe four members who will say no on principle. susan collinsounced this morning she's going to stay there. that vote will stay. lisa murkowski is still swing vote. john mccain. and rand paul doesn't like the idea of the federal government paying for health care. you still have the same problem to solve. host: rand paul, you mentioned him, why he was at that signing ceremony yesterday. what role he had in this executive order. guest: association health plans forever. this is something he wanted all along. he's been telling reporters for a while he's talking to the president about it. the president wants to do an executive order. i think he was pretty instrumental in getting this done. host: as we show you some of the video from that signing ceremony yesterday, there is the vice president talking to rand paul standing directly behind him there. if you missed that signing ceremony you can watch it on our website at c-span.org. wade in south carolina, line for independents, go ahead. caller: i'm kind of wondering, a federal judge found this law of

alexander-murray proposal in addition to me are senator rounds, senator graham, senator mccain, senator cassidy, senator collins, senator ernst, senator senator murkowski, senator burr, and senator corker. i thank them all for doing that and senator murray will talk about the equal number of democrat cosponsors that we have. we hope that senator mcconnell and senator schumer, the president of the united states, and the house of representatives will consider our proposal. this is a first step, improve it, pass it sooner rather than later. our purpose is to stabilize and then lower the costs of premiums in the individual insurance market for the year 2018 and 2019. in plain english, most americans get their insurance from the government or on the job. about 6% or 18 million americans go to the individual market to buy it. they are the ones we're worried about. they are the ones we're seeking to help. there are 350,000 in tennessee, songwriters, farmers, small businesses. they are the ones that could get the skyrocketing premiums or may not be able to buy insurance at all. our agreement amends the affordable care