cassidy hutchinson: mr. cipollone said something to the effect of, please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, cassidy. keep in touch with me. crowd: bullshit! bullshit! bullshit! cassidy hutchinson: we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. crowd: fight for trump! fight for trump! fight for trump! jake tapper: but nobody could change trump's mind, and as he, family anand aides s arrived at t the rall, his chief of staff mark meadows was keeping the president's hopes alive. subject: prior to mr. trump taking the stage that morning, he was under the impression by mr. meadows that it was still possible. jake tapper: at the rally, the president had a more immediate familiar concern-- crowd size. cassidy hutchinson: we were in the offstage announce area tent behind the stage. he was very concerned about the shot. sasara murray: o or the pipictures that t were share, he wanted to make sure that the rally space was full. and so he's being told it's not that people e

as cassidy hutchinson said. news reports, scavino told smith's team that trump was, very angry that day. not angry to what his supporters were doing to the pillar of american democracy, but steaming that the election was allegedly stolen from him and his supporters who were angry on his behalf. scavino described it all as very unsettling, sources sa. scavino as td the special counsel that he was the one who posted the tweet from trump telling the rioters, quote,o stay peaceful. once again fm abc, scavino printed out propod messages to post on twitter, hoping that trump would approve them despite his reluctance to write such posts himself. and sources say even trump's daughter ivanka rushed down to the oval office dining room, to convince her father that issuing a public message could

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for so much of this, and we know that through other witnesses who did testify, people like cassidy hutchinsonpollone, people who came in front of the committee and testified truthfully, we know the role that meadows played. we know the role he played with trump, so, he has significant information. >> i was thinking of cassidy's testimony to you, that meadows gives voice to trump's enthusiasm for the death threats to, quote, hang mike pence. and that seems central to jack smith's case. >> yeah, and, look, i think that the testimony of cassidy hutchinson was so important for a number of reasons. one, because it gave us such insight into what people like mark meadows were doing. two, because before her testimony, pat cipollone had not agreed to come to testify in front of the committee, of course, afterwards, we issued him a subpoena, he did appear and he did testify truthfully and obviously was very concerned about protecting privilege, but you know, he, in his testimony, made clear that there was one person, essentially, in the white house, who did not want the mob to leave. >> the only one wa

and then i heard cassidy hutchinson testify in graphic detail about how trump was infuriated. the secret service wouldn't allow him to go up. so i went back to kind of look at it again. and he describes not only wanting to go up to the capitol, but he says, as as you mentioned, that during, you know, during the attack, he asked he wanted to go up. then. and the secret service, he told me, wouldn't allow him to do it then either. they didn't think it was a good idea, i guess. i mean, i couldn't believe that. but but it was what he said next that blew me away. he said, and i'll tell you this, if i had gone up there, i would have been very well received. so he's telling me that if he had gone up there during the attack, he would have been very well received. it's an admission that those were his people, that they would have responded to him. and it makes it all the more -- that those hours went by and he did nothing to call them off because he's acknowledging that they would have listened to him. yep. so sometimes he can be incredibly candid and transparent when you ask him quest

cassidy hutchinson, a former, she talked about it in her testimony before congress. >> they're literally calling for the vice president to be hung. and mark had responded something to the effect of, you heard that he thinks mike deserves it. he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. >> according to that january 6th committee, trump sat in the white house for four hours watching the carnage chaos and the desecration of the nation's capitol. he did not call the national guard. he did not immediately lead them. he did urge them to go home after they breached the capitol hours later with more lies. >> this was a fraudulent election. but we can't play into the hands of these people. we have to have peace. so go home. we love you. you're very special. >> immediately after the attack on the capitol, washington was momentarily united with many of the president's closest allies issuing harsh rebukes of his conduct and inaction. >> the president bears responsibility by congress. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. >> all i can say is count me out. enou

. >> narrator: cassidy hutchinson: a 25-year-old white house staffer. >> the most intimidating thingops) this is a young woman standing in a setting that could almost feel amphitheatrical. ♪ ♪ >> i was with cassidy on the day of her testimony. during it, i'm sitting behind her. she was incredibly nervous, i think like any normal person would be to do this. there was a time beforehand where she wanted to back out. because it was really scary to go up against the president of the united states, and speak the truth, is something that only a few people will know. >> she was a hardcore trump loyalist. and she's getting ready to destroy the tribe that she gets her identity from. i've been there, right. i've been in that moment. it was pretty awe-inspiring to be quite honest with you. >> i will now swear in our witness. >> knowing how trump had become so intimidating a person for people who crossed him, and this one young woman, doing what so many other much older, frequently male staffers wouldn't do, which is come forward and testifying truthfully under oath. >> ...the whole truth, and no

i think it only became untenable when cassidy hutchinson testified to trump's enthusiasm for the threatsdville who says i can't trip, i've already fallen. i can tell you not about a win because you're stalling. there was early stalling and we are late to see a key witness turn up today. that was our conversation and our little shoutout to the artist redville, who was just on this main stage at a festival at dodger stadium. here's where things take another term. during his performance he played audio from that exact msnbc discussion during his set as an intro to playing that same song that was cited in the conversation. now, this is definitely a first for us, a live concert sampling the news. >> one, two, three. it is a fact that attorney general garland overseeing the larger probe initially was late. there is an artist out of pg county rel redvell. redvell ♪♪ >> wild. we just want to share another shoutout to redveil and that whole crowd having fun with the sample and the songs. we shared thisery moment online. there's more fun stuff thate don't always have time toair. join me at arimelb

cassidy hutchinson mentioned perry and his role. did so in her eyewitness testimony to what happened behind the scenes at the white house in the lead-up to january 6th. and here is what she told a local pennsylvania affiliate about their congressman. >> i think it is also important for central pennsylvanians to know that scott perry was at the central -- was central to the planning of january 6th and central to the planning of operating the justice department officials to execute a plan that donald trump wanted. and what donald trump wanted was to essentially shred the constitution in any way that he could to stay in power. and scott perry has a lot of information about that. >> in her congressional testimony, hutchinson alleged that congressman perry was one of several lawmakers who sought a pardon from trump before he left office. we also learned from publicly-released text messages seized from perry's phone in connection to jack smith's investigation, that perry not only introduced trump to clark, but he also held meetings with p

i mean, look at cassidy hutchinson. look at liz cheney.n the face of donald trump. a lot of men, elected officials, half. i'm being a little sexist here, not intentionally, but i would say there's a lot of women who have powerfully stood up. you know, robbie kaplan, the fact that donald trump walked out when she was giving her closing arguments, the fact that she and shawn crowley who are completely unflappable, prepared. that tells you a lot and they deserve an enormous amount of credit, as e. jean carroll does, for standing up as courageously as she did. >> jen psaki, thank you very much for joining us again tonight. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. feel the difference with 20 plus nutrients your body can absorb. so you can do you. learn more at newchapter.com. every day, more dog people, and more vets are deciding it's time for a fresh approach to pet food. they're quitting the kibble. and kicking the cans. and feeding their dogs dog food that's actually well, food. developed with vets. made from real meat and veggies. portioned fo

i mean, look at cassidy hutchinson. look at liz cheney.er in the face of donald trump. a lot of men, elected officials, half. i'm being a little sexist here, not intentionally, but i would say there's a lot of women who have powerfully stood up. you know, robbie kaplan, the fact that donald trump walked out when she was giving her closing arguments, the fact that she and shawn crowley who are completely unflappable, prepared. that tells you a lot and they deserve an enormous amount of credit, as e. jean carroll for standing up as courageously as she did. >> jen psaki, thank you very much for joining us again tonight. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. if you're looking for a medicare supplement insurance plan that's smart now... i'm 65. and really smart later i'm 70-ish. consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan from unitedhealthcare. with this type of plan, you'll know upfront about how much your care costs. which makes planning your financial future easier. so call unitedhealthcare today to learn more about the only plans of

i think that it only became untenable when cassidy hutchinson testified to trump's enthusiasm for the ville who says i can't trip, i've already fallen, i can tell you not about a win, because you are stalling. there was early stalling. and we are late two plus years out to see a key witness turnip today. >> that was our conversation, and our little shout out to the artist, read bill, who was just on this main stage with sza, who i mentioned about the grammys at a festival at dodger stadium. here is where things take another term. because during his performance, he played audio from that exact msnbc discussion with nicole. this was during his set as kind of an intro to playing that same song that was cited in the conversation. now, this is definitely a first for us, a live concert sampling the news. >> one, two, three. >> it's a fact that attorney general garland overseeing the larger probe initially was late. there is an artist sort of pg county redfield who says i can't trip i've already fallen, i can tell you not about it when because you are stalling. ut i when>> ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> wil

when cassidy hutchinson, and other brave people who worked for donald trump came out and made the caseanything about january six. that had an enormous impact. i do think that for someone like jim mattis, or some of the other generals. they may tell themselves, it is not my job is somebody who is in the military to get involved in politics. understand that, but i think when you take a senior rule in an administration. a republican president. you've engaged in politics. i give them all the credit, i think they join the administration because they wanted to be the adults in the room. they knew donald trump was dangerous back then, or at least unfit. they wanted to be there to serve the country, i think they did it all for the right reasons. but they have to serve the country again by saying what they saw. we know because they give blind quotes to background on people who are writing books, they said things once or twice. we know they think he's dangerous. there's people like mark esper have been out there saying don trump is a threat to democracy. one of the things that is the fear here,

it's been cassidy hutchinson, liz cheney, look at the list. all the women stood up against the guy.true. >> right. >> he says, "i can do what i want. see what i did with e. jean carroll? i say what i do, and i do what i say." it's him. it is absolutely donald trump. >> we've learned to believe him. >> you know, he says what he means, and he does it. what concerns me, and i don't want us to get lost in this, you know, i just a couple years ago got my first grandchild. i look at how he will grow up in a world where you now have a former president running for president that compares his amount of indictments with al capone. >> right. >> and that his character witness is sammy the bull. >> right. >> i mean, we're acting like this is normal. >> right. >> he is a man running for president, who was president, saying sammy the bull is my character witness. >> right. >> and i got more indictments than al capone. that ought to scare all of us. >> you know, if you saw the latest town hall he did on the other side of the republican debate, because he didn't show up for the republican debate, yo

when people told their stories, when cassidy hutchinson and other brave people who worked for donaldink for somebody like jim mattis or some of the other generals, i think they may tell themselves, look, it's not my job as somebody who is in the military to get involved in politics. i understand that, but i think when you take a senior role in an administration with a republican president, that you've engaged in politics. i give them all the credit. i think they joined the administration because they wanted to be the adults in the room. they knew donald trump was dangerous or at least unfit and they wanted to be there to serve the country. i think they did it for the right reasons, but they have to serve the country again by saying what they saw. we know because they give blind quotes to people who are writing books. we know they think he's dangerous. there's people like mark esper who have been out there saying donald trump is a threat to democracy. one theory here is that you need to speak with one voice. there's safety in numbers. you can't just have one person here or there becau