casta hawkins was around there. another have been some intervening for decisions related to bmr apartments. i still do not totally understand why there was such approaching consensus around trinity, which may not have been as big as parkmerced, but it was a significant number of units, and why there is such behemoths opposition now. i understand the issues around the transformation of this neighborhood. i understand that. but focusing on the casta hawkins issue -- why the 180 degree flip? >> i was not involved in the trinity deal. something was going on in my life at a time. -- at the time. i raised an eyebrow at the time. i think there are major differences and people confuse this. first of all, it was not a long standing and to a community filled with family housing. it was a hotel which had been converted into residential use. the housing stock had some difference. i guess i would say it was not really as valuable, to put it bluntly. the second difference is that there was a calculation made about what was likely