but then so does caster semenya, looks like . caster semenya, looks like.that's and he she has undescended but they are a biological male as well. >> yes. exactly. >> yes. exactly. >> there there is complexity there. so you can understand that. so yeah, it may well be one of those cases i don't know. >> so maybe instead of male and female at the olympics we need a man looking and a lady looking . man looking and a lady looking. >> well i mean i guess what they have is, is fine. is testosterone levels. but the ioc have have gone. no they're fine. let them in. i mean, as people have said, because i've seen this stat quite a lot today in this stat quite a lot today in this story, 260%. that's the 2.6 times harder men than women. >> yeah, it's the biggest. >> yeah, it's the biggest. >> that's a that's a killer. >> that's a that's a killer. >> that's a that's a killer. >> that's performance advantage in any sport. >> because not only will they not be able to hit each other, you know, equally hard, but they won't have had training of confronting that. they won't

now for example, with with caster semenya, that they have internal testes , they produce testes, theyse advantages. and frankly , the advantages. and frankly, the prospect of these people, boxing against women if they are male is terrifying. and we should be very concerned. and the ioc should be very concerned, but seemingly they are not. >> fiona , i've got some >> fiona, i've got some statistics here that say that 90% that men have a 90% increased bicep strength . and increased bicep strength. and 162% greater punch power, meaning that the average man's punch has 2.6 times the force of one delivered by a woman . are one delivered by a woman. are the olympic committee putting women's lives at risk? >> i think there can be no doubt they're putting women's lives at risk. but bear in mind that this is their stated policy. they have said that there should be no presumed advantage for trans identifying males, what they call transgender women, or for people with differences of sex development, which is what we believe applies here. what that means is they are saying that if you're male, bu