you may or may not like the castle doctrine.and the judge doesn't either, but he says you have to follow the law. >> reporter: defense attorney ryan insisted that markus karma was guilty of nothing more than protecting his family. >> this is your house. you defend it within your house as you choose to defend it. >> reporter: by the time the defense rested, those closest to diren dede thought that markus kaarma's lawyers had redefined what this case was about. >> who diren was kind of got lost in all of this, didn't it? >> uh-huh. >> a lot of the stuff that i heard and read made him sound like some sort of foreigner who just came here to stir the pot and make trouble. >> and commit crimes? >> right. yeah. >> reporter: but to prosecutors andrew paul and jennifer clark, the real criminal in this case was markus kaarma, who was, plain and simple, a murderer. >> the fact is that the defendant was angry and vengeful. he knew that it was a kid coming in his garage. he has his 12-gauge in his hand, and he waits. >> reporter: to counter

castle doctrine. what. you still have to prove justified deadly force. want people to have this concept that, oh, i'm not going to -- be afraid. if you were afraid. i carry a firearm for the same reason police officer does, to protect life. i am not the threat, especially if i went to their the process of getting fingerprinted. i literally like the card-carrying good guy. host: can you explain who philando castile was. guest: absolutely. he was the young african-american. he was killed -- she was murdered by a law enforcement officer, he was murdered because he was a card-carrying good guy and he ran into a bigoted, biased, fearful law-enforcement officer that should not have been a law-enforcement officer. he also lived in a state that was not duly notified. that means, do you have a duty to notify law enforcement if you firearm.ing a minnesota is not a duty to notify. if i could rewind time, jump and his buddy, and say, you do not have to let this officer know you have a license to carry. that's not the law in your state. mr. casteel would still be her

doctrine called at the long war. they have got their long war and we have the castle to use to prove it and we don't have vigilance. >ngest war with the wrong strategies. lou: we don't have 20 years to figure out his strategy. 20 years is long enough get the out. >> we have had eight years of an obama administration which basically limited. lou: look, i agree with you. this president has maintained from the day he stepped onto the campaign trail that he wants to bring our forces home. he is right, he was right and he is still right. the establishment in this country k.t. the military-industrial complex whatever you want to call it, it's time to call it what it is. >> get out and close the lid and let them have at it. get out and rebuild the united states. to rebuild afghanistan and pay attention. not a bunch of taliban leaders, china, the south china sea, they technology is where we should say focus. lou: our hemisphere. while lead, your thoughts? >> i disagree with both schools the school that says what we are doing is beautiful. no, we have wasted a lot of energy for the last 20 years. lou: six or $7 trillion. we c