do you understand that castula says, i understand. judge has. okay. and then if you don't like my ruling, you don't give me sayyed and you don't roll your eyes do you understand that du you understand that casella said i understand that. i understand what you're saying. we're sean said, okay. thank you. let's get the jury back and then there's this moment where the judge says to him are you staring me down right now? and castula says, no, i'm just wondering how and the judge says clear the courtroom, clear the courtroom. chaos ensues as they're trying to marshal thought all of the press and the number of media, people are objecting, saying we have a right to be here are lawyers here, and the officers saying everyone has to get out, has to get out. they remove us all. >> so everyone leaves the courtroom of everyone. >> no, they didn't remove the politicians that were there supporting trump. they've removed the members of the media. and this one row of members of the public public in the courtroom and then we have the transcripts. so now we know what ha

back and then there's this moment where the judge says to him, are you staring me down right now and castula says, no, i'm just wondering how and the judge is clear. the courtroom. clear the courtroom, chaos ensues does are trying to more shot all of the press and the number of media, people are objecting, saying we have a right to be here are lawyers here, and the officers saying everyone has to get out, has to get out. they remove us all. >> so everyone leaves the courtroom of everyone. no, they didn't remove the politicians that were there supporting trump. >> they've removed the members of the media. and this one row of members of the public and the courtroom and then we have the transcripts. so now we know what happened after that. and the judge had said to castello, serwer, your conduct is contemptuous right now. i'm putting you a notice that your conduct is contemptuous if you try to steer me down one more time, i will remove you from the stand and castula says, can i say something, please? the judge says, no, no? this is not a conversation wow maggie great stuff. >> before, i have ne

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if you try to steer me down one more time, i will remove you from the stand and castula says, can i say something, please? the judge says, no, no, this is not a conversation wow. >> maggie, great stuff. >> before, i have never seen this before in a trial were donald trump as the defendant and the witnesses, the person who was drawing this kind of outrage from the judge is not what i expected because we had been looking for trump to be the person acting up in ways the judge would find upsetting any has a few times, but not like this but it was not entirely surprising because anybody who has dealt with bob costello knows that he can be a wildcard. and this is why a lot of people in trump's world thought calling him was a risk. and we got to see what a risk it was because this all took place in front of it, except for that bit at the end. but the objections all took place in front of the jury the parts of cross that took place today by the prosecutors were not great for costello. and so michael cohen, who is a key witness in this case, has gotten pretty roughed up by the defense, by todd b

you know, this was before castula even got on the stand, there had been a lot of back-and-forth between the judge, the prosecutors, and the defense about the scope of kotb cellas testimony the judge wanted this narrow and so costello was answering some of these questions more long winded than what the judge want now, casella wasn't there when this was all going down, but it was because the judge kept sustaining objections by the prosecution. costello looked frustrated that he kept getting cut off, that he wasn't able to finish his sentences. and so that's when he was having his moments of what appeared to be exacerbation, what's surprising costello was a federal prosecutor. he's been in a courtroom. he knows how judges run things. so he knows what sustained it means. >> and as objection, but he was still speaking and trying to get in some words that seem to be the point of tension because costello was appearing very frustrated that he kept the been cut off because the prosecutors were objecting and the judge was sustaining those objections and striking some of his answers from the recor

disaster for his case apparently he those of you who are stella mentioned in a paisley, it was mentioned castulaame up today. >> yeah. i mean, it wasn't a lot sides the defense mentioned him to very briefly to talk about how he michael cohen claimed that they didn't have much of a relationship. they didn't have a legal relationship and that was not the case. >> it was a very far very didn't they say side of the jury like, well you heard his testimony, so you know what that is? i don't what? >> lu that one of the things sitting in the courtroom, just listening to all the various parts of this case. >> is that sometimes it does feel like you need to be a lawyer to sort through some of the things that are being discussed here. and that's not what they've got. they have a jury except for those two lawyers, but they have a jury of just regular people and i do wonder sometimes how this is all going to go down because it is, it, it's gotten in the weeds both because the defense has brought things to the table that they shouldn't have. and also because the prosecution has to it's gotten complex okay to

. >> i mean, look, we for not expecting castula to be the lats witness or a witness at all. frankly sources had been telling cnn he was unlikely to be, but then instead of taking this moment, robert, where as you pointed out, they catch michael cohen. >> the lie. i mean, it's not the first time we've heard this particular thing where he stole the money but it was a grand larceny. it's a theft it's not just about the fact that it's a lie, it's it's right in the middle as elie honig in a prior segment earlier today, it's like right in the middle of what they're charging donald trump with. >> and it turns out that donald trump is a victim of them crime itself it sounds like you can't make this stuff up. >> it really isn't good second half of you make of that though. i mean, robert, i mean, the whole kit that's legally a circus. the rest of the rest of it may be. you're correct to point out the stuff with i still costello comes with a lot of baggage. >> i was a little worried when i saw that that's where the defense was going because you really want to make it about if you're th

and trump acknowledged that he would help, but so far rob castula still casella still has not been paid so when we got a sense of who the witnesses we're going to be in this case. it was quite surprising to me and others that costello would not be called. and the question is, okay, did they not need him for the case to undercut michael cohen's credibility or is there concern that there's now bad blood between the 1s star witness for the defense from the grand jury was meeting and now, when they need them here, because trump didn't pay those, rudy giuliani legal bills. so only in trump world can you you find a telenovela like this. but that explains who robert castello is. he is someone who could potentially maybe be helpful to undercut michael cohen's credibility. but they're not calling him and i spoke with about costello a couple weeks ago. he too was shocked that he hadn't been called. you'd had some brief contact with the defense team, but the fact that they're not using him at all when he was so central to their efforts before the grand jury it is notable, but it just speaks to the

whole hush money scheme was his idea notably, costello is not being called to testify for the defense castula told me he was quite surprised that he was not being called two once again, under cut michael cohen's credibility here in the trials since he was their sole witness during the grand jury proceedings. but a lot is transpired in the last year, including costello and rudy giuliani specifically asking trump to help pay costello for some of the legal work that he had done for rudy giuliani. that hasn't happened yet, and that is one theory about why he's not here like the other theory is joe taka pino is the defense lawyer. he was leading things back when costello was called. now, it's todd blanche and he just doesn't seem to think that costello is necessary for their case. >> and christian, there's these moments where were they the sidebars and the court. you can't actually hear what the defense and the prosecution and the judge are discussing, and you're not allowed to use your product is to look at them. i've tried to do it and they were de of told bolted really you can't do that because