there were very serious threats on catalan society, and catalan politicians, like carles puigdemont,eived those threats, and they have decided to demobilise people. that would have led to a massive confrontation. does anyone want that? no. we are a peaceful and civilised people. we will carry on but we will do it in a civic and very peaceful manner like we have always done. so that's why we are standing for these elections. we want to turn them into a plebiscite. we have that opportunity. let's turn it around and try to win these elections because pro—independence movements have won every election in the last years. so, let's do it again. the question is what will mr rajoy do? that is a very interesting point and an interesting challenge to rajoy did you've just made. you've clearly expressed your confidence that the pro—independence parties will emerge victorious on december 21. but let me flip it around to you. the indication of what you're saying is a recognition that if you do not win a clear majority — that is the pro— independence parties do not emerge victorious on december 21

independencejust that unilateral declaration of catalan independence just a few days ago was a “— catalandence just a few days ago was a —— ago? catalan independence just a few days ago was a -- ago? the declaration happened and the plans have worked. now we are trying to do something which deserves some respect which is trying to cope with a wave of oppression that the spanish government is deploying in catalonia against us. well, respect, obviously, has to be earned. i am just wondering whether the people of catalonia respect leaders of their regional government who don't appear to have had any coherent strategy for the day after the big declaration. i think everybody here in catalonia understands, and i am sure the world will understand, once it is explained that we needed to have pa rt of it is explained that we needed to have part of the government in catalonia not abandoning their own people. and part of the government in brussels to initiate this international strategy. and to tell the whole world that we are live, that we proclaim the republic and we wa nt that we proclaim the rep

we will get over this catalan constitutional crisis. legality has been restored. union. i can assure you of that. we have to end there. butjorge toledo, in madrid, thank you very much for being on hardtalk. thank you very much to you. i hope next time, if there is a next time, it will be face—to—face. thank you. hello. if tuesday was too cold for you, i don't think you're going to find much comfort in the forecast for the next couple of days. if anything, it will get even colder. northerly winds diving all the way down from the arctic, the air turning increasingly cold, and with that, some wintry showers feeding in across northern and eastern areas. now, where the showers will have been falling through the night across northern scotland, there is the risk of some icy stretches. could be some ice across eastern england, as well. temperatures here generally holding just above freezing through the first part of the morning. many of the showers at low levels falling as rain. but, over high ground, don't be surprised to see some sleet and some snow. and then further we

the catalan people in a perfectly legal and organised election shoes as they wish.t my point is that these, if you want the forces supporting it unity to win, why don't you make it a little bit easierfor don't you make it a little bit easier for those parties don't you make it a little bit easierfor those parties by acknowledging the grave mistakes that madrid made in the run—up to and on the day of the catalan referendum on independence? surely that would help, if you actually said he made some terrible errors? well, i do not need anybody... a do not need to acknowledge any mistakes. we all make mistakes but the biggest mistake was to revoke a simple majority of the government, jumping over every legality, even at their rain, they rebate on the basis of the rights and freedom of all cata la ns of the rights and freedom of all catalans in of the rights and freedom of all catala ns in catalonia. of the rights and freedom of all catalans in catalonia. that was the biggest mistake. let me criticise the mistakes, the great mistakes and damage they have done to catalonia

down on the catalogs spanish media reports a judge has issued a warrant for the arrest of dismiss catalan leader carlos pushed him off as he refuses to return to madrid from brussels other catalan leaders are sent to jail pending their trial on charges linked to the region's declaration of independence also coming up the man accused of carrying out the new york terror attack tells the court he feels good about what he has done donald trump says the suspect should be given the death penalty. at a took them fifty six years but the houston astros have finally taken baseball's top prize the world series we'll take a closer look at how they did it. i'm so me so much going to thank you for joining us according to spanish media a judge in spain has ordered the arrest of the dismissed catalan leader karla's proved him on the move comes after pushed him on failed to show up in court in madrid today to answer questions on catalonia declaration of independence he is currently in brussels along with four other members of the dismissed regional government the judge in madrid sent to other members of t

and in sleepy catalan villages, divisions are now often on public display.led atjordi, a pro—independence councillor. at the local school where a month ago, he, arms crossed at the front, led a human wall blocking spain's civil guard. it's because of that disputed referendum that his political leaders are now injail ahead of their trial. translation: it reminds me more of a repressive state like turkey than a country in the european union. lively discussions at home too. this family, split on that key question. who is in favour of independence for catalonia? his sister is, his mum and dad are wavering. but jordi is not. "spain's laws have to be followed," he tells me, "and those who don't should be prosecuted." almost every day, a new chapter in this catalan crisis. on the horizon now, regional elections. with pro—independence leaders in jail, divisions below the surface are ever more entrenched. tom burridge, bbc news, in barcelona. a fast food delivery driver is fighting for his life and his eyesight after having acid thrown in his face. the incident in wa

we will get over this catalan constitutional crisis. legality has been restored.nion. i can assure you of that. we have to end there. but, jorge toledo, in madrid, thank you very much for being on hardtalk. thank you very much to you. i hope next time, if there is a next time, it will be face—to—face. thank you. milder, well, less cold air will be with us for the weekend but with that, lots of cloud around. many of us in the day ahead will have sunshine and arctic air around high pressure to the west and low pressure to the east. arctic air, of course, it is very cold. widespread frost to start thursday. icy patches where we have had showers overnight and these are town and city temperatures. of course, it is colder in rural spots. the coldest parts of northern england and scotland will be down to about minus six or seven as the day begins. as many of us will start with some sunshine, we have sleet and snow showers affecting north—northeast scotland. down eastern coastal parts of england — as far south as norfolk. rain showers mainly for northern ireland. a bit of

two leading catalan unions the u.g.g. and the c c o which is supported the referendum they now back the elections as well and they oppose any what was distance on the street as a party we will run for elections obviously we love elections we love the ballot boxes we defended them on october the first with our bodies and citizens who followed this referendum with their trying to help people. about and they were being clobbered and they were being beaten up of the police the elderly ladies whole families they're defending the vote so we're not going to go against the vote we're going to go to vote and we'll try and even if it's the spanish state that's managing because it now acquires a plebiscite tarion kind of sight to it this vote will be a vote to show who has the numbers and who has the majority so we accepted they threw a glove to us we accept that challenge we have to do it and we are democratic obviously we've pursued this always in a democratic manner we're not going to lose that quality and maintaining all the tim

all round here catalans are singing their national anthem. national anthem they now believe belongs to their independent republic, separate from the spanish state. there are so many questions, what will the spanish government now do? but for now this crowd just wants to celebrate. no doubting the passion of this crowd. belting out "long live spain", along barcelona's main boulevards, these are catalans who don't want independence. who reject the independence declaration made last week. it has been a complex and confused dispute, and some viewers have detected what they feel is a lack of balance in coverage, one spaniard living in lancaster thought the catalan independence protestors were portrayed as brave and principled, while the spanish state in trying to stop an illegal referendum and secession from spain is seen as acting like franco and oppressing the people. while m nardini told us: and paul summers wondered: well, to discuss this now i am joined by andrew roy who is world editorfor bbc news, thank you for coming on newswatch. most of

not among those jailed is this man catalans former president holed up in belgium that is. it is a grave attack on democracy. imprisoning political leaders who have ample citizen support is an act that violates the basic principle of democracy. carlos bustamante ever returns to face the music he will hope it sounds like this. the speaker of the catalan parliament arriving to work today after appearing in the supreme court she has another week to prepare her defense. well let's bring in our correspondents starlet's how some pill is in barcelona and barbara vessel is in brussels good to see you both charlotte let's start with you what is the situation facing the jailed members of the cattle in parliament. well those eight face an extremely heavy sentence if it doesn't go their way rebellion alone one of the charges leveled against them carries thirty years in jail but this person could take years it's long and protracted the big surprise in fact is that they've been jailed so quickly a lot of people were expecting to see them out on bail like one of their former colleagues wh

that the forces of independence can prevail at the catalan elections in the sample that it's true i'm confident in these big three but i want to trust spanish state spain state under also the european authorities if they will accept. result like this if the independent mormons or process. are the majority thing the next cattle in parliament. is the spanish state ready to accept so this is a direct challenge to senior royal you're challenging him given his cold this election will he accept the result settling in not only for the million also for the european authorities because if the majority of the time people want to be independent this is a real. answer is a reality and we must make politics with the reality not with the fantasy of course i think the cuttle the spanish government under european authorities would like a cut of one year without in people who want independent but lead and if in the next elections we will we that i propose to mr roy mr juncker mr stanny to accept and to start a new era of dialogue and negotiation about this reality many people have commented on the pos

in total more than a dozen catalan politicians have been called to appear at the supreme court they are charged with rebelling against the government after holding an illegal independence referendum i used it catalan president colors pushed a man who has fled to belgium said he would ignore the court's order to return to spain but he could testify from belgium. it's been ten months since the government in northern ireland collapsed and now the irish nationalist partition fein says coalition talks with the program democratic unionist party have failed the british government says it's preparing to impose a budget on northern ireland but stresses it does not want to see a return to direct rule. the terror attack in the shadow of the world trade center. i mean you can i want all my garden. all right ok i'm. free from panic and fear in new york to pointing the finger at europe tonight.

capital there demanding the release of jailed separatist leaders and former catalan ministers. we have ten political prisoners in catalonia among them a vice president and the majority of our ministers there are also representatives from civil society we want to tell the world we want freedom for our prisoners and freedom for catalonia because we. have to catalonia as referendum madrid dismissed the region's government former ministers and separatist leaders were taken into custody on charges of sedition others fat to belgium including former catalan president karl has pushed him over madrid has issued a european arrest warrant that could see him extradited to spain he says madrid is wrong to prosecute him and his former ministers. you know to be treated like a criminal like a drug trafficker like a pedophile like a serial killer i think this is abuse this isn't politics this is using the courts to do politics. that will. push them all has called on the european union to intervene. the some of the it is very disappointing to see that the european union that we're all part of th

he caught told catalan t.v. here in an interview that he the mons the media release of this of these ministers he also made clear that he himself will only return to spain if a fair trial is a guaranteed and you see the problem here in brussels is when he says you know that an act. such an act by by the spanish government such as arrests are actually violating democracy the concern here in brussels really is by e.u. member states that he is trying to internationalize the problem rather than just running away from from the just as he might face for acting in the fines with spanish law. we're expecting the spanish court to issue a european warrant for a car was pushed a month arrest today will he have to avoid belgian authorities now to if you does not want to be arrested that is exactly what he would have to do now if an arrest warrant is issued by spain a european arrest warrant that would give the belgian government twenty four hours to assess whether that is correct they then have fifteen days to arrest the su

cracking down on the catalans. prosecutors calling for the arrest of the ousted catalan leader, carles puigdemont, after he refuses to return to madrid. eight other leaders taken to jail after the declaration of independence. also coming up, the man accused of carrying out the new york terror attack tells the court he feels good about what he has done. the u.s. president says the suspect should be given the death penalty. and jerome powell has been nominated as the new chief of the u.s. federal reserve, but will he push for the same old policies? we will get reaction from wall street. in the seventh game of the world series, the houston astros take down the los angeles dodgers to take baseball's champ. this was the astros' first ever world championship in their 55 year history. we take a look at how they did it. ♪ brent: i'm brent goff. good to have you with us. today, he defied an order, but the ousted catalan president is not facing arrest, at least not tonight. reports from spain say that a judge will not issue

well according to him according to the catalan government. you bet everything on the coercive power of the law and the state to make it go away but it hasn't worked has it we haven't used to question the only moment that we have had we not we the police has been forced to do some question is because they were obeying court orders we have always showing the way to dialogue and we have to govern the whole country and we do it in a peaceful and democratic way and that's that's the way it is. and. if you go one you know simply accepting as you know the whole truth what's. the previous government government was saying that's fine but that's not the reality but your actions were causing concern even in geneva with the office of the high commissioner for human rights september the twenty eighth his office released its experts view that the measures they were witnessing in spain in catalonia the searching of printing houses the seizure of referendum material blocked web sites political meeting shutdown these were worrying them because they said they

the former catalan appear today in brussels.e says he will not return home until he is guaranteed a fair trial. also coming up, police in germany arrest a 19-year-old syrian suspected of gathering parts for a powerful bomb. the country's interior minister said he was planning islamist terror attack. but what or who was the intended target? and marking 500 years of the protestant referendum --reformation. germans pay tribute to martin luther king to town of wittenberg where the monk first challenge the authority of the catholic church. ♪ brent: i am brent goff. it is good to have you with us. we begin with breaking news coming to us from the united states. police in new york city are investigating a shooting in lower manhattan. immediate reporting multiple casualties. one person has been taken into custody according to the new or police department. the incident took place near battery park city. police are asking people to stay away from that area. our correspondent in the u.s. is on the line. what can you tell us about these dev

and in sleepy catalan villages, divisions are now often on public display.led atjordi, a pro—independence councillor. at the local school where a month ago, he, arms crossed at the front, led a human wall blocking spain's civil guard. it's because of that disputed referendum that his political leaders are now injail ahead of their trial. translation: it reminds me more of a repressive state like turkey than a country in the european union. lively discussions at home too. this family, split on that key question. who is in favour of independence for catalonia? his sister is, his mum and dad are wavering. but jordi is not. "spain's laws have to be followed," he tells me, "and those who don't should be prosecuted." almost every day, a new chapter in this catalan crisis. on the horizon now, regional elections. with pro—independence leaders in jail, divisions below the surface are ever more entrenched. tom burridge, bbc news, in barcelona. the hollywood actor and theatre director kevin spacey is being investigated by the metropolitan police. it follows an allegati

"libertad, libertad," they chant in catalan. "freedom, freedom."ays ago, these ministers were working in this, the headquarters of the catalan government. but now the reversal has been stunning. in a matter of a few days, those ministers declared independence, then madrid took over this region, and now all the ministers who work there are now in exile, on bail, or now in prison. and the town hall has reacted. in catalan there, there's a sign you mightjust be able to read, "freedom to the political prisoners." and that will be a strong feeling among the pro—independence camp here in catalonia. the anti—independence camp might simply say that spain is now following the law. there will be plenty more demonstrations, probably from both sides, in the next few weeks and months. let's have a quick look at some of the front pages of tomorrow's papers. the telegraph says that theresa may is preparing for her succession with the surprise appointment of the former chief whip gavin williamson to defence secretary. the times says that mr williamson's appointmen

there demanding the release of jailed separatist leaders and former catalan ministers after catalonia as referendum madrid dismissed the region's government former ministers and separatists leaders were taken into custody on charges of sedition others fled to belgium including former catalan president. madrid has issued a european arrest warrant that could see him extradited to spain he says madrid is wrong to prosecute him and his former ministers. you know to be treated like a criminal like a drug trafficker like a pedophile like a serial killer i think this is abuse this isn't politics this is using the courts to do politics. has called on the european union to intervene. because of. the sort of the it is very disappointing to see that the european union that we're all part of they can respond to situations of poland and hungary but cannot respond to the situation in couple or near the stop or summit of the world. the situation came to a head on october the first as catalans went back to vote in what madrid called an illegal referendum they were met with scenes like these. many cat

deposed catalan leader carlos pushed him on his face in an arrest warrant after failing to appear in court in madrid he's fled to brussels a spanish judge is jailed eight other former members of the catalan government will face possible rebellion charges. thousands of palestinians have been demonstrating in gaza and the west bank on the centenary of the balfour declaration that was britain's promise to zionists to create a jewish homeland in what is now israel palestinians say they were left out. the death toll in the indian state of a child protection has risen to at least twenty nine after an explosion at a power plant more than one hundred people were injured twenty of them gravely the blast happened when a private exploded in a covered what has been in coal ash causing severe burns the qualities of launched an investigation. scientists have discovered a hidden chamber in egypt's great pyramid of giza also known as whole foods param and it's the first such discovery since the one nine hundred centuries the international team found the thirty meter void deep within the pyramid abov

well according to him according to the catalan government you bet everything on the coercive power of the law and the state to make it go away but it hasn't worked has it we haven't used the question the only moment that we have had we not we the police has been forced to do some question this because they were obeying court orders we have always showing the way to dialogue and we have to govern the whole country and we do it in a peaceful and democratic way and that's that's the way it is. and. if you go one you know simply accepting as you know the whole truth what. the previous current government government was saying that's fine but that's not the reality but your actions were causing concern even in geneva with the office of the high commissioner for human rights september the twenty eighth his office released its experts view that the measures they were witnessing in spain in catalonia the searching the printing houses the seizure of referendum material blocked web sites political meeting shutdown these were worrying them because they said they appeared to violate fundamental in

for eight former members of the deposed catalan parliament the day ended with a trip to jail the law makers ordered by a spanish judge to be held in prison pending possible charges over catalonia is push for independence earlier hundreds of catalans turned out at barcelona's main station to welcome other lawmakers who had traveled to madrid to go before the spanish supreme court. spanish justice is fascist and dictatorial we never thought this could happen it's shameful. i have lots of pent up rage i'm disgusted i never thought that the spanish state would get to this point and. nowhere to be seen in barcelona as the catalan leader car less push demand who's traveled to belgium he failed to appear in court in madrid today and the spanish state prosecutor wants him arrested. when someone doesn't appear after being cited by a judge to testify in spain or in any other e.u. country and arrest warrant is issued it's a duty to answer to the summons. to much lawyer says he will cooperate with both spanish and belgian authorities. before. and. defend against this. house exception. we will be

not every catalan believes that freedom means independence. as a result, many communities, where some residents call for unity, while others insist on independence, are being torn apart, like in the village of montblanc. narrator: his olives are nearly ripe. pep andreu is hoping the catalonian independence movement will also soon bear fruit. here in montblanc they've been fighting to split from the rest of spain for a long time. they believe catalonia shouldn't have to keep paying for the economic failure of other regions. >> we're always the ones who pay. it's not right. financial plans need to be fairer. if someone produces more, they should see more returns. narrator: most people in the small town of montblanc favor catalonian independence, even though the king bears the title duke of montblanc. the city government wants to revoke that title. pedro navarro's parents are andalusian, and even though he identifies as catalan, he's not in favor of independence. he has a machinery and spare parts business, and deals with a lot of international p

evidently, catalans invented bagel bites. ( laughter ) the catalans also pronounce it "bar-selona," whileying "bar-thelona" and frankly, the catalans are "thick" of it. catalonia was independent. part of the kingdom of aragon, but in the 15th century, king ferdinand of aragon married queen isabella of spain and united their kingdoms. they were so excited, they sent christopher columbus to show native americans how fun it is to be part of spain. ( laughter ) his housewarming gift: smallpox. and ever since then, being under spanish rule has chafed the catalans like spangly pants on a sweaty matador. ( laughter ) those are quite tight. this mat adore comes pre-gored, evidently. ( laughter ) in the 1930s, spanish dictator francisco franco tried to destroy catalan separatism, killing thousands and exiling thousands more. he suppressed music and even dancing. for more details, just watch "footloose" with the spanish subtitles on. ( laughter ) nowadays, catalonia is an economic powerhouse that resents propping up the rest of spain. it accounts for nearly a fifth of spain's economy, producing 25%

are the majority thing the next catalan parliament is the spanish state ready to accept so this is a direct challenge to sr the whole you're challenging him given that he's called the selection well he had to sing of course to start talks and negotiations mr president you've challenge the senior avoid to accept the result of the december elections you challenge the european union to respect democracy in catalonia you've said the united nations can see advantages in the success of a peaceful movement of a country what is your message to the people of catalonia we must to be confident resilient because we will win. we will succeed finally democracy will prevail mr president thank you so much you're welcome. strong stuff from karl as bush among let me be clear about two points one the security of spain would like a right of reply then this chair is absolutely available to him for next week's show and two unless maybe a surprise to many watching i have never called for catalan independence not because i'm not sympathetic on the say on but scotland is not catalonia and catalonia is not sc

these are catalans who don't want independence.eject the independence declaration made last week. it's been a complex and confused dispute, and some viewers have detected what they feel is a lack of balance in coverage. one spaniard living in lancaster thought: while m nardini told us: and paul summers wondered: well, to discuss this now, i'm joined by andrew roy, who's world editor for bbc news. thank you for coming on newswatch. most of the viewers who did complain said the bbc had been too favourable to the pro—independence side, how do you respond? we haven't been. we've been physically in both locations, in madrid and barcelona, so we can put both points of view, our correspondents have always been careful to get pro and anti clips from protesters and politicians into their pieces. we've been trying throughout to be absolutely rigorous, in being impartial and objective, and putting both sides of the argument. i think the concern is that the headline coverage, which is how most viewers encounter the story, they feel has given t

two leading catalan unions the u.g.g. and the c c o o which would supported the referendum they now backed the elections as well and they oppose any what was distance on the street as a party we will run for elections obviously we love elections we love the ballot boxes we defend them on acct over the first with our bodies and citizens who followed this referendum where they're trying to help people. about and they were being clobbered and they were being beaten up of the police the elderly ladies whole families they're defending the vote so we're not going to go against the vote we're going to go to vote and we'll try and even if it's a spanish state that's managing because it now acquires a plebiscite tarion kind of sight to it this vote will be a vote to show who has the numbers and who has the majority so we accept that they threw a glove to us we accept that challenge we have to do it and we are democratic obviously we've pursued this always in a democratic manner we're not going to lose that quality and maintaining

this is it every new year's life from berlin the catalan christmas comes knocking on that used door also presents karla's pretty much makes his first public appearance since fleeing to brussels he's speaking at a rally in of two hundred pro independence catalan mayors demanding action from the european politicians will go live to brussels also coming up the syrian delegates at the u.n. climate conference in the case that his country will sign up to the paris climate accord that would leave the u.s. as the only u.n. member not supporting it we'll explore what the potential fallout could be. and president some calls for world wide action in response to north korea's nuclear ambitions but on his visit to south korea also strikes a new tone urging the rogue nation to come to the negotiating table. thank you very much for your company else stood cattle and leader carlos pushing one test appeared publicly in brussels for the very first time since fleeing spain after his bid for independence misfired well put you want was cheered on by around two hundred mayors from cadillac communities we had

tens of thousands once again out on the streets of the catalan capital barcelona tonight to protest the detention of leaders of the independence movement take former members of the deposed catalan government to being held without bail pending possible charges of rebellion and sedition. and other acts minister's son t.v. last thursday night in jail but was freed on friday after posing bail of fifty thousand euros his message one of conciliation. of want to ask the authorities of the state and prime minister roh hallway to take the political initiative we will not resolve this through the courts we will only resolve this through politics they can be. tough to dissolve in the catalan parliament when it declared independence last month the spanish government is pinning its hopes on new elections ordered for december the twenty first. these elections are for all the political party. or office to catalan society the government hopes for an end to instability and cheery aeration in the social cohesion and economic framework in the i got the line is. the course of protest against the detention

did certainly not win over hearts and minds of catalan voters and as you say he failed to win over the hearts and minds of voters is there anything that he can do and if this crisis is to win then for any last ditch efforts before the election in december. i don't think so his strategy has been from the very beginning very much focused on spanish voters rather than cattle voters so his popularity that that was very bleak before this crisis started now it's increasing and the rest of spain and the event today his appearance in barcelona again will be probably more followed by his supporters in spain and under lucien and other regions rather than by public. by any anybody really in catalonia unless the people who are already on the side of the conservative party michael at the head in spain thank you very much. you're welcome lebanon is calling for answers after it's prime minister hariri resigned unexpectedly he announced he was stepping down during a visit to saudi arabia last week lebanon has now called on the saudi government to explain why he's still there and has not returned home

the situation came to a head on october the first as catalans went back to vote in what madrid called an illegal referendum they were met with scenes like these. many catalans where i raged madrid's heavy handed approach may well have boosted support for independence . the question why is whether that support has waned and whether separatists will triumph in catalan elections next month. spanish prime minister mariano rajoy wants to convince voters to choose pro unity parties he set to visit barcelona on sunday for the first time since the referendum to launch his party's campaign. for. the drama continues tens of thousands have joined in a march and poland's capital warsaw that was organized by the far right the march took place in poland's independence day polish nationalists have taken part as well as far right groups including some from across europe among the rallies organizers are subtle radical groups with roots in anti-semitic organizations active before world war two observers say the march has grown considerably since it began in two thousand and nine. lebanon is calling for

want an independent catalan states but now the spanish authorities in madrid a calling for catalan independence leaders to be charged with rebellion if convicted they could face up to thirty years in jail so we'll just back down. if you were a good mayor just seven components is having a hard time these days is his village being forcibly ruled by the spanish government or is the community part of the free republic of catalonia. the residents of sunda a mountain village in rural catalonia want to know. almost everyone here voted in favor of independence in the controversial referendum and they haven't changed their position. i mean i would like for the new catalan republic to be socially and politically sound. the republican establishment by its citizens the regular people from the ground up. it's been a long time since the spanish flag has flown above the town hall and. the local council still considers our regional leader a card as put their head of government. it doesn't matter if he's abroad or appearing before a spanish court proponents of independence continue to adhere to different laws.