we have no known image of catesby himself. we have no letters of his before he reaches south carolina at age 39, so i basically took it as an opportunity to just nerd out on history in great britain, of the intellectual ferment, the dazzling work being done and the interest that so many british men and women had at that time in natural history and the sciences. you know, it was a scientific revolution. isaac newton was the president of the royal society when catesby landed in charleston, so you had the ferment and the coffee houses were the places to be where for a penny, you get a saucer of coffee and read all the newspapers that you wanted to and also, there were pirates. so, catesby landed in the golden age of piracy in the caribbean. >> talk about that, he responded in his efforts by black beard. >> not directly, but black beard blockaded charleston before catesby arrived there. and one of the things we don't understand, think about how many obstacles that were to the safe passage of plants and animals, collections and spe