joining us now is catherine doherty. put the 200 into perspective. mean for bank of america? catherine: we are seeing thousands. this is nowhere near that. this is likely to be under 200. so it might not seem extreme, especially when you're looking across the street, but for bank of america, it is a step further. they put a pause on hiring, bringing new people in. that was to account for less people leaving, so there was just a natural attrition issue that they were dealing with. now, it is really a return to business as usual, pre-pandemic cuts that happen normally after bonus season. this time of year it pretty typical, and it is not the extreme case we have seen at goldman sachs which was actually some of the biggest cuts that we seen at their business. and it would be more similar to citigroup, which was a few dozen in their investment banking unit. dani: does that then say something about their performance? how do we account for the discrepancy between these banks and the number they are putting out> katherine: the performance of the across wall