state to decide or should this issue stay among the morality of the citizenry to discuss more catherine hansen's executive director and founder of the center for hiv law and policy so what do you think catherine thanks for joining me by the way what do you think do you think that this should be criminalized by this by the states. no and i think your initial point that nobody talks about as t.-i used is a critical one. i'm not the first person to say this but lots of people like to have sex but don't seem to like to talk about it and singling out each i did a as the only condition which must be reported to a partner assuming you even know and face criminal penalties if you don't really does it make any sense from a public health perspective which is why all of these laws come from politicians they really don't come from public health departments. sure i mean look at something like h.p.v. which causes cervical cancer even things that are on curable that you have for life herpes genital warts things like this i mean when you look at something like age i mean it's not a death sentence anymore so why