catherine hooper will. you lived just over there. you miss the apartment?really. >> she lives a simpler life now in a three-room apartment in south florida, but she remains ruth madoff, lawful wife of the greatest financial criminal in history. why haven't you filed for a divorce from this man? >> i don't know. it doesn't matter to me. he's gonna die in prison. i certainly don't want to find another man these days. >> he'll probably see this interview. are you concerned about-- >> i was thinking about that. no, i'm not concerned. he should hear it. >> believe her or not, the thousands of victims may have little sympathy for andrew and ruth, but it can't be denied that they, too, are victims of bernie madoff. that's mark and andrew? >> mm-hmm. [tearfully] in happier times. >> they lost a son and brother and will forever carry the shame of the madoff name. >> what he did to me, to my brother, and to my family is unforgivable. what he did to thousands of other people, destroyed their lives, i'll never understand it. and i'll never forgive him for it. and i'll