representative sheila jackson lee talking about it but a greater concern is the role that distortions and sometimes outright lies played in the congressional investigation of fast and furious. cath catherine piece about the fast and furious scandal. thank you for your time. it's a pleasure to have you here. >> thank you for having me. >> congrats on the piece. i hope you win many many awards for it. in your investigation, what was the biggest difference you found between what the republicans have been shouting at us and what actually happened with fast and furious? >> the fact that the atf had no operational tactic to walk guns and that is the claim of the entire congressional investigation, that there was a plot to allow guns into the hands of the mexican drug cartels. my reporting is showing that that is not the case. >> and that guns did not actual cross the border? >> guns did cross the border but those were guns that prosecutors told the agents they did not have probable cause to seize. >> we quoted your article last night because it goes into great depth about how some atf investigators and agents felt really left out and felt like they were left out to dry by the toothless laws the