and that was when you and i did the joint interview, i think you and catherine joyce. kate livingston. yes. kate. kate. yes. kate, whose is in book as well. and was a great conversation. and it just made me realize are ready to have this conversation on a broader level. and i think that that's something that i've continued to see since then. so i am really curious about the appetite for folks who aren't in kind of reproductive justice or adoption fields before we get to that. i think it'd be great to go back a little bit and i know in the adoptee sphere a lot of folks are really aware you are not an adoptee and that you are not a birth mother, nor are an adoptive mother. you do have biological children are a parent, but couldn't you share just a little bit going back about your time, writing your thesis on infertility, your time that you spent at teen pregnancy center and how that to collecting all this and having these conversations? yeah. so when i started doing this data collection again back 2010, i was at this from a perspective of someone who is studying reproduc

jed roland miller, the husband of joyce macias and joyce's daughters, catherine and julie. without their support and help, why books still matter would not exist. so thank you. thank you. thank you, jed, catherine and julie for sharing joyce with the world and for making this occasion possible. so now it's my privilege to introduce our three distinguished panelists, all of whom have authored chapters in why books still matter. first, u.s. senator john hickenlooper john hickenlooper burr first made an impact on denver as the entrepreneurial founder of colorado's first brewpub. he went on to launch a dozen more small businesses in the city and has since enjoyed a distinguished career in public service, including eight years as mayor of denver and two terms as governor of colorado. and since 2021, he has represented the state in the u.s. senate. welcome, senator hickenlooper. next to john, you'll see bookseller matt miller. after working as a preschool teacher, matt miller joined the staff of the tattered cover bookstore in 1978. he spent more than 40 years here serving as chi

host: catherine in vermont. joyce in norfolk, good morning.ler: yes -- in georgia, good morning. caller: yes. i love people calling trump a felon. he got charged with a misdemeanor that had already expired and they brought it back to life with a corrupt doj man. just so they can talk about him being a felon. he is not a felon. 34 paper counts cut up so they could make it a felon. the state should never have done it. sorry, secondly, kamala harris is a communist. she wants to make all of our country -- wealth redistribution. it is going to be taken away so that all can be equal, just like that bishop said earlier. if that is what you want for america, then we are going to be a communist country. host: joyce in georgia. maggie, pennsylvania, independent. caller: good morning. i wanted to say, what prompted me to call, was a woman from kentucky. how she talked about the bible related to abortion and stuff like that. anyhow, i think that a lot of people are forgetting a portion of the bible. people that claim they are faith-based, in the bible it