joining us, catherine o'brien. catherine, thamgts for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> i know you see a lot of patients. so how real, how widespread is depressioning right now? >> yes. this last year, there's been an increase in depression and anxiety and the holidays are always a difficult time and it's more intense this year, i think, than in the past. >> then we all need coping mechanisms, right, ways to make lemonade out of lemons. do you have any suggestions for us? >> i think it's always so important that we take care of ourselves. especially around the holidays, we the end to put a lot of pressure on ourselves to make everybody else happy and do all the things. i think right now we need to limit what we do. minimize things that make things easier, set real expectations for ourselves and to make sure that -- and through all this we're taking care of ourselves, making sure we're getting enough health care, enough rest, that we're not drinking too much, that we're eating healthy foods and everything. >